Ssb - oneforseven launched

[MySockPuppet]

The folks at global-snooker.com have trialled a new short form version of the game called ONEFORSEVEN.

It lasts 147 minutes and features players playing frames against one another within this time, with the overall winner the player who has scored the most points.

Unusually, the audience will be encouraged to make noise rather than sit in stony silence, as is traditional at all other events.

A tournament, worth £25,000, will be staged in Cardiff on December 21 and feature Ryan Day, Mark Williams, Matthew Stevens and Ricky Walden.

There will also be satellite events with the winners progressing to the final to take on the star names.

For more details, check the global snooker website here. (http://www.global-snooker.com/oneforseven-main.asp)

This is an attempt to find a snooker version of Twenty20, which has proved popular in cricket.

One of the biggest problems snooker has with the media is that it is impossible to know what time a match will finish, so broadcasters have problems with their schedules and newspaper editors with their deadlines.

The shortest ever best of nine contest was 34 minutes duration while the longest lasted seven hours.

“Somewhere between the two” is a rather vague, if accurate, answer to the perennial question of how long a match will last.

I haven’t seen ONEFORSEVEN yet but I wish them all the best.

Anything a bit different that encourages interest in snooker should be welcomed.https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29605452-5203394307141895270?l=snookerscene.blogspot.com


More... (http://snookerscene.blogspot.com/2009/10/oneforseven-launched.html)

[wildJONESEYE]

Gimmicky Crap

No Time for it for Pro Players that going to play it i wouldnt lower myself to go and watch utter rubish.

[spike]

I agree with Wild. As much as i love Snooker i dont want to see it going down this road. It may end proving popular with some in time but i could never take something like 'ONEFOURSEVEN' seriously in a million years or watch it on tv even if you paid me..

[wildJONESEYE]

spike

what really really worries me and ive pointed it out on moniques thread...

if you had money would you want to put it in a sport that looks desperate ???

[Monique]

spike

what really really worries me and ive pointed it out on moniques thread...

if you had money would you want to put it in a sport that looks desperate ???

It looks desperate only in your own mind. For me if people like Neil Tomkins and Ken Doherty are looking for different options and try hard to attract new life in the sport it means the love is very much there (albeit not in the authorities who run the sport) and that's great. Why not try? What harm would it do to try? Certainly not worse than do nothing.
Table tennis has gone through some radical changes to make it more dynamic and create more drama in matches: shorter sets, more sets per match. It wasn't percieved as "desperate" and to my knowledge sponsoring and interest hasn't go down.

[In-off]

The first two posters are missing the point entirely.

This sort of thing isn't for diehard snooker fans. If anything it's aimed at people who don't like snooker at all.

20/20 has created new cricket fans who would not have been enticed by the Test format.

If this can do the same for snooker then it's all to the good.

But what a shame so many snooker fans have such closed minds.

[twentytwo]

I agree with In-Off, an open mind would be helpful and of course it isnt meant to be instead of the long format - so Wild, you still get your Crucible fix!

The World Championship takes a month in total so they are not going to have many more of them are they!?

[checkSide]

Table tennis has gone through some radical changes to make it more dynamic and create more drama in matches: shorter sets, more sets per match. It wasn't percieved as "desperate" and to my knowledge sponsoring and interest hasn't go down.

I do like the idea that people are trying something new. However to compare snooker to table tennis just shows how bad things must be getting......

[wildJONESEYE]

monique

the only thing that will breath new life in to snooker is a governing body that gets payed for getting off theire fat bum and earn theire money....

they do nothing at all to atract sponsors absalutly nothing they cant even promote snooker in scotland which has the current World Champion.

people round about the kelvin hall was clueless what was happening there.

sorry but fact is you either love to see balls potted or you dont no format or gimmick will make that different.

[Templeton Peck]

The WSA was bringing in sponsors and the prize money was going up until this year when all the UK sponsors terminated their contracts. I wonder why. Firms aren't going to throw their spare cash at snooker and at the same time lay off workers - what planet are you on? Snooker's financial situation isn't going to change until the economic climate changes. At the moment it's just a case of riding out the storm.

[montoya10]

monique

the only thing that will breath new life in to snooker is a governing body that gets payed for getting off theire fat bum and earn theire money....

they do nothing at all to atract sponsors absalutly nothing they cant even promote snooker in scotland which has the current World Champion.

people round about the kelvin hall was clueless what was happening there.

sorry but fact is you either love to see balls potted or you dont no format or gimmick will make that different.

If you are so confident that it will draw little interest, why are you so angry with people who are just trying to set their own organization. You should be thinking that John Higgins' World Series is a rubbish, too..

[leeroygor]

Gimmicky Crap

No Time for it for Pro Players that going to play it i wouldnt lower myself to go and watch utter rubish.


what a ridiculous comment. you have to regret typing that......................

LOL

[wildJONESEYE]

The WSA was bringing in sponsors and the prize money was going up until this year when all the UK sponsors terminated their contracts. I wonder why. Firms aren't going to throw their spare cash at snooker and at the same time lay off workers - what planet are you on? Snooker's financial situation isn't going to change until the economic climate changes. At the moment it's just a case of riding out the storm.

that is a valid point however WSA Neglect goes back best part of 15 years through complacency of sticking with tabacco sponsership and also resting on theire laurells instead of moving forward.

[wildJONESEYE]

what a ridiculous comment. you have to regret typing that......................

LOL


no i stand by it 100%

[wildJONESEYE]

If you are so confident that it will draw little interest, why are you so angry with people who are just trying to set their own organization. You should be thinking that John Higgins' World Series is a rubbish, too..

ive told you why it cheapens snooker and makes it a bloody joke that no sponsor would want to touch the sport with a barge poll.

[ja.]

ive told you why it cheapens snooker and makes it a bloody joke that no sponsor would want to touch the sport with a barge poll.
indeed look at all the sponsors wanting to pump loads and loads of money in traditional snooker. :rolleyes:

[montoya10]

ive told you why it cheapens snooker and makes it a bloody joke that no sponsor would want to touch the sport with a barge poll.

I got your point, but then shall we sit and wait for a magical come-back from snooker? Or what's to be done? As we saw in the entire last week, snooker seemingly lost his appeal and can't get the crowd on their feet as it used to.. So, unless we admit that the sport is not at the level once it was, we're going to be disappointed in the future continuously..

[wildJONESEYE]

indeed look at all the sponsors wanting to pump loads and loads of money in traditional snooker. :rolleyes:

templeton has pointed out why that is it but wait until that is on the upturn who the bloody hell would want to put money in to a sport thats panicking and looking for quick fix crap.

[ja.]

templeton has pointed out why that is it but wait until that is on the upturn who the bloody hell would want to put money in to a sport thats panicking and looking for quick fix crap.
not you wild, we got that :D

[RGCirencester]

Sport A is desperate... introduces a new event... Millions of people loves it... What possible reason would a sponsor have to ignore the event?

Does it matter if in your eyes its innovation or desperation? Sounds like an interesting idea to me.

[wildJONESEYE]

going round in circles here now.

i stil have no idea how these panick messures of 6 red and all these quick fix matches will get more people in to watch.....

advertising the GP in glasgow was non existant so why would advertising of these tournaments be any better ???

[montoya10]

going round in circles here now.

i stil have no idea how these panick messures of 6 red and all these quick fix matches will get more people in to watch.....

advertising the GP in glasgow was non existant so why would advertising of these tournaments be any better ???

Well, you say it yourself, advertising GP in Glasgow did not work, so, something new should be tried and these efforts are all about that.. Of course, you can't know if these tournaments will surpass the popularity of normal format events.. But, you miss a simple point. You can't know if they won't. Why not giving the event a chance to prove his quality?

[ja.]

advertising the GP in glasgow was non existant so why would advertising of these tournaments be any better ???
because its done by some1 other than wpbsa?

[ferret]

advertising the GP in glasgow was non existant so why would advertising of these tournaments be any better ???

How do you know? did you goto Glasgow? there was lots of advertising, on TV, Radio and local press for the GP, nation wide advertising was sparse as it always has been.

Ja. how much advertising was there in Glasgow for the snooker?

Oh and wild when you make your point in a thread we get it yeah, we all read it coz that is how a thread works you read one post then the other, there is no need to carry on like a broken record through out the whole thread, let others have their comments without you replying to everybodys new post with your thoughts yet again. I am not the only one who is getting annoyed with your constant negative attitude to every thread on the forum.

[ja.]

How do you know? did you goto Glasgow? there was lots of advertising, on TV, Radio and local press for the GP, nation wide advertising was sparse as it always has been.

Ja. how much advertising was there in Glasgow for the snooker?

Oh and wild when you make your point in a thread we get it yeah, we all read it coz that is how a thread works you read one post then the other, there is no need to carry on like a broken record through out the whole thread, let others have their comments without you replying to everybodys new post with your thoughts yet again. I am not the only one who is getting annoyed with your constant negative attitude to every thread on the forum.
well i didnt look through local press tv or radio but i saw a GP poster in Q club glasgow :D all i can say that there was enough advertising to get 2 crayons and 1 latvian to scotland.

[ja.]

p.s.
wild, i bet the number plate** for worldsnooker car was your choice



**http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pizdec

[bongo]

Gimmicky Crap

No Time for it for Pro Players that going to play it i wouldnt lower myself to go and watch utter rubish.

A bit of a harsh thing to say considering people have worked hard to create this in the interests of snooker.

[chimmykins]

Personally I see nothing wrong with the idea.

[chimmykins]

Sorry clicked wrong button before I was done and can't find an edit button. I also wanted to add that however I don't think it would interest me on a personally.

[Matt_2745]

As I said on Dave's blgo directly, it doesn't interest me at all personally but at least they are trying something which is a good thing.

[wildJONESEYE]

How do you know? did you goto Glasgow? there was lots of advertising, on TV, Radio and local press for the GP, nation wide advertising was sparse as it always has been.

Ja. how much advertising was there in Glasgow for the snooker?

Oh and wild when you make your point in a thread we get it yeah, we all read it coz that is how a thread works you read one post then the other, there is no need to carry on like a broken record through out the whole thread, let others have their comments without you replying to everybodys new post with your thoughts yet again. I am not the only one who is getting annoyed with your constant negative attitude to every thread on the forum.

im not negative im being honest....

would you give youre money to a desparate sport i know i wouldnt the powers that be has to get theire heads from theirs stupid arses and sort out this sport. idiotic ideas like 6 red rubish and this onefourseven crap wont work and are total waste of time.

parden me for caring what idiots are doing to the sport i love.

[Migtsf]

There's a poll about this subject here:

http://www.thesnookerforum.com/board/showthread.php?t=20329

[superaussie]

im not negative im being honest....

would you give youre money to a desparate sport i know i wouldnt the powers that be has to get theire heads from theirs stupid arses and sort out this sport. idiotic ideas like 6 red rubish and this onefourseven crap wont work and are total waste of time.

parden me for caring what idiots are doing to the sport i love.

i think its great to have passionate snooker fans like you too many are happy to see any gimic used even though they know it will achieve nothing

strong words from you but it shows you care about snooker

[wildJONESEYE]

im droping this now but im not having any bloody admin telling me what i can and cant bloody say is this a forum or a dictatorship ?

[twentytwo]

im not negative im being honest....

would you give youre money to a desparate sport i know i wouldnt the powers that be has to get theire heads from theirs stupid arses and sort out this sport. idiotic ideas like 6 red rubish and this onefourseven crap wont work and are total waste of time.

parden me for caring what idiots are doing to the sport i love.

I think Wild is entitled to their opinion - trouble is, it seems that they don't think anyone else is entitled to theirs. As far as your personal attacks on the individuals behind these ideas go, I think you should be careful what you are saying - have you ever met any of them to speak with such an informed voice?

And as far as your opinion goes - ok, entitled to it you maybe, correct you may (or may not be). Let's give it a chance! Fact of life - things change and evolve. Change is not always good, but if nothing else - ONEFORSEVEN has got people talking already and it hasnt event been staged yet!

I clicked interested on the poll, because HOW can you either LOVE or HATE something that you havent even seen!?

[Monique]

im not negative im being honest....

would you give youre money to a desparate sport i know i wouldnt the powers that be has to get theire heads from theirs stupid arses and sort out this sport. idiotic ideas like 6 red rubish and this onefourseven crap wont work and are total waste of time.

parden me for caring what idiots are doing to the sport i love.

How can you say it wont work without trying?

There are a few things that no authority in the world will be able to sort out:
- the fact that there is so much choice of possible programs/shows/games, though televion, multimedia devices and Internet, that inevitably the share of "traditional" programs in shrinking.
- the fact that our society doesn't encourage people and in particular young people to devote their time to "demanding" activities: demanding in terms of time, skills, attention and dedication. Snooker is just such activity, particularly the 15-reds form of the game.
- the fact that a match of snooker can't be "constrained" in a well defined timeslot, which does not make it the more appropriate for broadcasting.

The aim of people promoting those alternate form of the game is not to alter or downgrade the sport. It is to try to attract part of the audience/public - to watch it and to play it - by developping more "accessible" forms, forms that fit with the demands of broadcasters also (Pot black, Premier League under shot-clock were pioneers). They are actually trying to save the game you love, not to kill it!

Can't you see that?

[Migtsf]

I clicked interested on the poll, because HOW can you either LOVE or HATE something that you havent even seen!?

The poll asks about the concept. We haven't seen it yet, but we can imagine how it's going to be. I think it's perfectly possible to love or hate the idea itself.

[leeroygor]

im not negative im being honest....

would you give youre money to a desparate sport i know i wouldnt the powers that be has to get theire heads from theirs stupid arses and sort out this sport. idiotic ideas like 6 red rubish and this onefourseven crap wont work and are total waste of time.

parden me for caring what idiots are doing to the sport i love.

I don't think theres any need to get so animated about it and it baffles me why you are being so offensive (calling people idiots) to those attempting to breathe a bit of life into the sport.

If you care so much about the sport as you claim to do, what are you doing to be part of the solution to help the revival besides posting opinion on this site. I would say probably nothing. Your point would probably be noted if you kept your emotions a little more in check.

I should imagine you are happy to get this reaction........

[superaussie]

I think Wild is entitled to their opinion - trouble is, it seems that they don't think anyone else is entitled to theirs. As far as your personal attacks on the individuals behind these ideas go, I think you should be careful what you are saying - have you ever met any of them to speak with such an informed voice?

And as far as your opinion goes - ok, entitled to it you maybe, correct you may (or may not be). Let's give it a chance! Fact of life - things change and evolve. Change is not always good, but if nothing else - ONEFORSEVEN has got people talking already and it hasnt event been staged yet!

I clicked interested on the poll, because HOW can you either LOVE or HATE something that you havent even seen!?

because their previous gimics have been poor so their track record is hardly great

[twentytwo]

because their previous gimics have been poor so their track record is hardly great

what precious gimicks (with a k!)???

[superaussie]

what precious gimicks (with a k!)???


yes sorry a spelling error but its obvious what my wording suggested

If an organisation continually introduces gimmicks that are pointless you can see why people are negative about another new one

[Monique]

yes sorry a spelling error but its obvious what my wording suggested

If an organisation continually introduces gimmicks that are pointless you can see why people are negative about another new one

but it isn't the "organisation" introducing it. This is Neil Tomkins brainchild. And you can't possibly deny that people at GSC love the game and do a great job to promote it, do you?

[twentytwo]

yes sorry a spelling error but its obvious what my wording suggested

If an organisation continually introduces gimmicks that are pointless you can see why people are negative about another new one

which organisation are you talking about?

[superaussie]

but it isn't the "organisation" introducing it. This is Neil Tomkins brainchild. And you can't possibly deny that people at GSC love the game and do a great job to promote it, do you?

fair enough but they are not running snooker so if they introduce this WSA wont listen to their ideas anyway even if it goes well

The WSA prefer to itroduce pro challengers events with pathetic prize funds

[ja.]

fair enough but they are not running snooker so if they introduce this WSA wont listen to their ideas anyway even if it goes well

The WSA prefer to itroduce pro challengers events with pathetic prize funds
WSA doesnt own snooker.

geeze some people are not good with facts and logic. wheres my big bucket of popcorn...........

[leeroygor]

Wild is a tool.

pressed send too soon.

He should give people who care a chance.

[twentytwo]

fair enough but they are not running snooker so if they introduce this WSA wont listen to their ideas anyway even if it goes well

The WSA prefer to itroduce pro challengers events with pathetic prize funds


Why would they want World Snooker to listen - especially if it works!?

[superaussie]

WSA doesnt own snooker.

geeze some people are not good with facts and logic. wheres my big bucket of popcorn...........


they run snooker which is a form of ownership

[ja.]

Wild is a tool.
behave now ginge or you'll be banned...... not. :p

[superaussie]

Why would they want World Snooker to listen - especially if it works!?


because WSA run snooker and no one seems to be doing anyhting to change that so they are in control of ranking tournaments and what happens to the professional game

[Monique]

because WSA run snooker and no one seems to be doing anyhting to change that so they are in control of ranking tournaments and what happens to the professional game

ever heard of the SPA? :)

[ja.]

they run snooker which is a form of ownership
no they run their tournaments.

like kfc own their recipes but they dont have exclusive rights on chicken.

[superaussie]

ever heard of the SPA? :)

yes and sadly spa will try but if they try to change snooker it will lead to a darts type breakaway which will spilt snooker in 2

[twentytwo]

they run snooker which is a form of ownership

It owns the ranking list and the ranking tournaments. Not sure it owns the game. There are plenty of commercial organisations running indpendent events - Matchroom, World Series, PHC.

IBSF is an International Governing Body of the Sport also with no ties to World Snooker!

So as far as I can see not very 'owned'!

[Monique]

yes and sadly spa will try but if they try to change snooker it will lead to a darts type breakaway which will spilt snooker in 2

Well I don't think so. It has happened before in the history of the game and ... the problem has solved by himself. ;)

[leeroygor]

anyone coming down the Q bar on Sunday.

Im holding a OneforSeven Satelite Qualifier. Its only £17.50 to enter but the winner gets in next sundays final satelite for a place at the venue...

The 1st one is full on Sunday but I may run a 2nd one.

[mayli]

i cannot understand why there is no ranking event in Germany. Snooker is huge there at the moment and the World Series in Berlin was sold out quickly :)
i know that this does not solve the problem in Britain but it is a "new" market as well.
as for the 147, i think it is a good thing to always try out new things even if other things tried didn't work out!

[Migtsf]

This new version of the game doesn’t appeal to me. I particularly don’t like the part where the audience is encouraged to make noise. I don’t know how many people here actually tried to do something in which they had to remain focused most of the time while surrounded by a lot of noise. Well, I have, and it’s very difficult to perform under those conditions and you end up exhausted.

So, if this new concept encourages noise, then I can only assume there isn’t much interest in players having the best environment to put on the table the best they can do. In other words, there isn’t that much interest in the game itself.

I know times are difficult and all, and there is absolutely no reason why a few players can’t gather round a few tables and have fun while they are being paid for it. That is ok with me, but don’t call it a tournament, and don’t call it snooker, because it’s not any of those things.

Some people believe this idea is about promoting snooker, well I think the only thing ONEFOURSEVEN is going to promote is the ONEFOURSEVEN version.

I can understand the outrage of long date snooker fans. They feel these new things, like shot-clocks, 6-reds and now 147 are replacing the traditional game, and although some people say they aren’t, the truth is they are.

It’s not being done clearly. They are not picking for example, the Welsh Open, and saying, from now on, it’s all 6 reds. What is happening is the traditional format events are disappearing and new events with different concepts are emerging in their place. So, a change is already happening.

Maybe things will change if that’s what the majority wants, but you can’t expect those who are happy with the way the game is played right now to be happy with it, because they are losing something here.

The ingredients that appeal more to me in the game are players competing to win matches in a fair and proper manner. This new idea has none of those things. They say it’s all about fun, well, it’s not fun to me. This is clearly pushing the game towards the entertainment side and away from the sporting and competitive side.

I guess in the end the game will move to where the money is, and if the new stuff is what sells that’s what snooker will be in the future. If that’s the case, snooker won’t be in my future.

[montoya10]

i cannot understand why there is no ranking event in Germany. Snooker is huge there at the moment and the World Series in Berlin was sold out quickly :)
i know that this does not solve the problem in Britain but it is a "new" market as well.
as for the 147, i think it is a good thing to always try out new things even if other things tried didn't work out!

I think Germany can be a good place to host a ranking event. They show interest in players,the game and it should be a better fit than having more tournaments on Far East..

Abd migtsf, I just wanted to add my opinion on your idea. If any new format wins the sponsorship battle and replace traditional snooker, I don't think it'll be limited to just fun. I mean, let's think for a moment that WC is gone and instead we have OneFourSeven to decide the world champion. Which player would just play it for just entertainment? The competition comes with money, as well as ambition. But still, it is very unlikely to get a better format than the current one and these events will just stick around as minor events, generally.

[SnookerGuru]

Darts survives in a pub atmosphere and there is no reason why snooker can't ina few extra events. Move with the times, or be left behind snooker :snooker:

[twentytwo]

I agree with Guru - this is not trying to hijack the Crucible!

As far as the sport v entertainment argument! The current crowd at snooker matches is more like theatre (entertainment) than darts, cricket, tennis, golf (clearly sport) - so Mig is kind of arguing against themselves.

And anyway, why look at it so extreme - it doesnt say that the crowd has to be noisy - it looks like the open-plan arena the players will distract each other nealry all of the players practice day in day out in clubs where it is far from silent.

I have never heard a player say that they need silence - it has just been assumed! If ONEFORSEVEN tries it and the players dont like it - they wont play and it will fall on its arse! My guess is that most players will like the change!

[SnookerGuru]

It isn't as if anyone is saying "let's have pub atmosphere in the big 3"

All I am saying is: Let us atleast TRY this out. Have a few shot clock events, a proper league, start off with a few none ranking events and then progress to a few that ARE ranking.

Have a full diverse field, Cricket adopted 20/20, which is STILL cricket. What snooker did was create super 6, which is NO LONGER snooker.

Shot clock tests a different part of a player. Afterall a player can deliberately grind in a normal match, is this fair on faster players? No.

What we need is the usual big 3 to stay the same, and for other events to have much different ways of handling an event. From shot clocks, to pub atmosphere, to mixed doubles (bring in the female game), to international.

Things need to be tried, or will the traditionalists around here keep moaning on and on until we are left with 2 ranking events and the masters?

Will that be good for snooker?

[twentytwo]

It isn't as if anyone is saying "let's have pub atmosphere in the big 3"

All I am saying is: Let us atleast TRY this out. Have a few shot clock events, a proper league, start off with a few none ranking events and then progress to a few that ARE ranking.

Have a full diverse field, Cricket adopted 20/20, which is STILL cricket. What snooker did was create super 6, which is NO LONGER snooker.

Shot clock tests a different part of a player. Afterall a player can deliberately grind in a normal match, is this fair on faster players? No.

What we need is the usual big 3 to stay the same, and for other events to have much different ways of handling an event. From shot clocks, to pub atmosphere, to mixed doubles (bring in the female game), to international.

Things need to be tried, or will the traditionalists around here keep moaning on and on until we are left with 2 ranking events and the masters?

Will that be good for snooker?

Spot On Guru! Change is as good as a rest and all that! We would all still be living in caves if some on here had their way, although maybe they are!!!???

I can't see anything about a shot clock in Oneforseven? Is there one?

[RGCirencester]

cani just add that higgins himself said in the interview ferret did during the grand prix that he would like to see different events. Doubles, timed or whatever. Atm you can basically predict who your going to play in every tournament (except the random draw in the grand prix). Ok this is not the salvation of snooker, and it shouldnot and is not trying to replace the traditional events, but it adds something to the calendar and if the players and fans like it then great. If they don't it will fade away.

[ja.]

so if a frame is going slow, will there be an annoying beep at the end of 21st min like in prem league? and if a player hits the kyoo ball at a slow pace at 20 mins 59 seconds and the object ball drops into the pocket at 21 min 01 second, does it count or not?


:D

[SnookerGuru]

Spot On Guru! Change is as good as a rest and all that! We would all still be living in caves if some on here had their way, although maybe they are!!!???

I can't see anything about a shot clock in Oneforseven? Is there one?


If you look at walker, it is obvious he hasn't a clue about todays fan. Way too old. Oneforseven is just another silly gimmick imho. What we need is change to real events and added events, not events which have nothing to do with the main tour. It is just a rather rubbish appeasement that I will not accept and nor will most others.

[wildJONESEYE]

what im saying is does snooker want to be seen as a trend follower or trend setter at the moment every knee jerk is about copeing other sports because theres no vision inside the game.

build the core of the sport back up first before all these panick messures to try and popularise a popular sport sorry but its ridiculous.

i care with a passion for snooker and all im seing is panick from fans and more worrieng the WSA wanting to change the sport in some way or other.

I Said i was dropping it but ideas is getting madder and madder on here total panick.

[montoya10]

what im saying is does snooker want to be seen as a trend follower or trend setter at the moment every knee jerk is about copeing other sports because theres no vision inside the game.

build the core of the sport back up first before all these panick messures to try and popularise a popular sport sorry but its ridiculous.

i care with a passion for snooker and all im seing is panick from fans and more worrieng the WSA wanting to change the sport in some way or other.

I Said i was dropping it but ideas is getting madder and madder on here total panick.

Don't get me wrong, but I just can't understand what is building the core of the sport back up? How is it going to be done?

[wildJONESEYE]

mate

ive tryed to explain inventing another format is the equivelant to papering over the cracks with wallpaper.

these messures are good adition to the sport if they done properly but at the moment they are seen as some sort of saviour of snooker to get more fans involved and in the meenwhile at wsa headquarters the board are counting up theire cash and putting in theire pockets patting each other on the back thinking they doing a good job for the game....

its a white elephant to try and kid people whats happening is good its not good far from it.....theres all these mini tournaments getting off the ground with 6 reds onefourseven whatever but only 7 main tour tournaments.....why because the WSA are wasting time and effort developing 6 red tournaments instead of concentrating on getting sponsors and more ranking tournament.

[wildJONESEYE]

anyway ive had my say do with my opinion what you want.

[montoya10]

mate

ive tryed to explain inventing another format is the equivelant to papering over the cracks with wallpaper.

these messures are good adition to the sport if they done properly but at the moment they are seen as some sort of saviour of snooker to get more fans involved and in the meenwhile at wsa headquarters the board are counting up theire cash and putting in theire pockets patting each other on the back thinking they doing a good job for the game....

its a white elephant to try and kid people whats happening is good its not good far from it.....theres all these mini tournaments getting off the ground with 6 reds onefourseven whatever but only 7 main tour tournaments.....why because the WSA are wasting time and effort developing 6 red tournaments instead of concentrating on getting sponsors and more ranking tournament.

I don't think these new tournaments can be implemented to the current calendar. But I disagree with you that it's just down to getting more tournaments in a season, see what happpened in Bahrain last year. The hard work is not organizing an event, it is promoting the event well. Clearly,there should be an effort to get sponsorship, but I don't know what's happening inside the association. Still, we have a common point, I suppose, I really don't like the idea that we're into second third of the season so quickly..

[Odrl]

I can't remember the last time I disagreed with a post this much...


It isn't as if anyone is saying "let's have pub atmosphere in the big 3"

All I am saying is: Let us atleast TRY this out. Have a few shot clock events, a proper league, start off with a few none ranking events and then progress to a few that ARE ranking.

Now, this is not what is happening here. An organization that is completely independet form the WSA is organizing an event with its own format and set of rules, and no one has the right to tell them they can't do it. But if it was the WSA organizing this, with the long term plan to introduce these formats to the ranking tournaments, this should be stopped immediately! It would mean the end of snooker as we know it, and it must never ever EVER happen!


Shot clock tests a different part of a player. Afterall a player can deliberately grind in a normal match, is this fair on faster players? No.

Well, snooker is a sport where the two players don't really interact directly. How one player goes about his turn at the table should have no effect on the other. The only thing that affects the other player is the situation on the table when his turn starts. If one player plays at a slower pace, there is no reason for the other player to do the same. But in a shot clock format, both players are forced to play at a fast pace. As for deliberate time wasting, there is already a rule against that.


What we need is the usual big 3 to stay the same, and for other events to have much different ways of handling an event. From shot clocks, to pub atmosphere, to mixed doubles (bring in the female game), to international.

I agree with wildJONESEYE here. What we need is 9 or 10 proper events first, then we can start thinking about other "fun" events on top of that.


Things need to be tried, or will the traditionalists around here keep moaning on and on until we are left with 2 ranking events and the masters?

Will that be good for snooker?

I'll still keep moaning if we are left with 2 ranking events, the Masters, and 20 6-reds, shot clock, and onefourseven events. That would make it 3 snooker events, and 20 events I wouldn't care about.


Spot On Guru! Change is as good as a rest and all that! We would all still be living in caves if some on here had their way, although maybe they are!!!???

And what you call "change" in this case, I call "decadence".

[SnookerGuru]

And what you call "change" in this case, I call "decadence".


Basically, you are another who wants no change but expects results....

[Odrl]

Basically, you are another who wants no change but expects results....

Not at all, I think a lot of things could or should be changed. But the game itself, at least the "on table" part is not one of them.

This little quote applies perfectly here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vidzkYnaf6Y

[leeroygor]

anyway ive had my say do with my opinion what you want.

Wild, do you play?

[leeroygor]

so if a frame is going slow, will there be an annoying beep at the end of 21st min like in prem league? and if a player hits the kyoo ball at a slow pace at 20 mins 59 seconds and the object ball drops into the pocket at 21 min 01 second, does it count or not?


:D

i should imagine it would count........

your such a big russian muppet at times tanya volvoestateandalabrador

[ja.]

i should imagine it would count........

your such a big russian muppet at times tanya volvoestateandalabrador

muchas gracias signor gortini, master of random words

[RGCirencester]

Has anyone else noticed that following any foul you are given ball in hand anywhere on the table?

Ok I don't mind the oneforseven concept, or the idea but it should be ball in hand from the D surely? Also means theres no free ball rule too.

Hmm I don't like that rule

[ja.]

Has anyone else noticed that following any foul you are given ball in hand anywhere on the table?

Ok I don't mind the concept, or the idea but it should be ball in hand from the D surely?
yes i disagree with the ball in hand thing too. makes a complete mess of the snooker. :confused:

[RGCirencester]

Means after every foul the oponents goign to make a sizeable break surely??? So a foul doesnt give away 4 points it gives away 4 and then the following 50+ because your obviously going to place the white around the red and black area??

[RGCirencester]

Pink and black remain, you need 2 snookers, pink and black are a long way apart, you lay a snooker, the oponent misses, you place the white 1mm away from the pink lay the exact same snooker with no effort, oponent misses again...Repeat... Auto win???

Theres also point in playing any escape from a snooker to lay on a ball...proper snooker your not leaving anything if u miss, in this one your gunna have to smash it just to make sure u hit it, because your leaving an easy chance wherever the red is for your oponent if you foul.

[ja.]

and whats the point in 21 mins per frame when with the ball in hand rule not many frames will last longer than 10 mins.

scrap the ball in hand thing, it ruins it all

[RGCirencester]

You snooker from the break off, opponent mis-judges, hits the pink (happens quite often), you can place the white wherever you want, you clear up, win? Sit around for 10 minutes while everyone else finishes their matches..


I still maintain its not trying to replace snooker, but I don't see the need to mess with the rules...
If for instance the miss rule has been removed to save time, so lets go further... All spots covered... the pink is potted... lets just bang it down anywhere... somewhere near a direct line behind... because spotting it properly might take a minute of gametime...

[ja.]

so the new ball in hand rule blends snooker and pool together and we get a brand new game called SPOOKER

[RGCirencester]

so the new ball in hand rule blends snooker and pool together and we get a brand new game called SPOOKER

I agree you can't change the rules majorly and call it the same game... So lets give Spooker a chance before we really condemn it... But I for one already don't like the idea...

[ja.]

I agree you can't change the rules majorly and call it the same game... So lets give Spooker a chance before we really condemn it... But I for one already don't like the idea...
i think you dont like the idea of 147 being presented a snooker tournament. but now that we have discovered spooker, lets see how it goes and maybe people will like it and spooker will live long and prosper.

[the montrealer]

HI I would like to see Osullivan enter this tournament i think that he would score a lot of points. Leonard from Canada

[spike]

HI I would like to see Osullivan enter this tournament

I would be surprised if he does..

[montoya10]

Means after every foul the oponents goign to make a sizeable break surely??? So a foul doesnt give away 4 points it gives away 4 and then the following 50+ because your obviously going to place the white around the red and black area??

With such a rule, players who get snookered will try to smash the cue ball into the balls to make it sure that it hits something.. If they miss, it's going to be a lot worse than the position they leave on the table.. A bit confusing, I think..

[ja.]

trying out new scoring system and encouraging people to shout, drink, phone one another from opposite ends of the arena and throw popcorn at the players is fine, they deserve it anyway.

but what did the poor little ball in hand rule ever do to you? it lived its quiet live inside the D and now its homeless and confused >.<

but as long as steve davis is happy with spooker...

[RGCirencester]

i think you dont like the idea of 147 being presented a snooker tournament. but now that we have discovered spooker, lets see how it goes and maybe people will like it and spooker will live long and prosper.

LOL I love your Spooker Tee Shirt Jaaaaaa :p I want one!

[leeroygor]

trying out new scoring system and encouraging people to shout, drink, phone one another from opposite ends of the arena and throw popcorn at the players is fine, they deserve it anyway.

but what did the poor little ball in hand rule ever do to you? it lived its quiet live inside the D and now its homeless and confused >.<

but as long as steve davis is happy with spooker...

the black is 7 points you russian.

[ja.]

the black is 7 points you russian.

surely you cant be serious???

[twentytwo]

Lots of the points discussed on this thread have actually been answered here...
http://www.global-snooker.com/oneforseven-talking-points.asp

[Migtsf]

Abd migtsf, I just wanted to add my opinion on your idea. If any new format wins the sponsorship battle and replace traditional snooker, I don't think it'll be limited to just fun. I mean, let's think for a moment that WC is gone and instead we have OneFourSeven to decide the world champion. Which player would just play it for just entertainment? The competition comes with money, as well as ambition. But still, it is very unlikely to get a better format than the current one and these events will just stick around as minor events, generally.

Of course players will enter in the spirit and will try to win it, the same way we do when we’re playing a card game or some other silly game with money involved. The thing is 147 is not about finding who is the best player at snooker. It’s just about providing an entertainment show featuring snooker players, much like an exhibition of some sort.


I agree with Guru - this is not trying to hijack the Crucible!

As far as the sport v entertainment argument! The current crowd at snooker matches is more like theatre (entertainment) than darts, cricket, tennis, golf (clearly sport) - so Mig is kind of arguing against themselves.

And anyway, why look at it so extreme - it doesnt say that the crowd has to be noisy - it looks like the open-plan arena the players will distract each other nealry all of the players practice day in day out in clubs where it is far from silent.

I have never heard a player say that they need silence - it has just been assumed! If ONEFORSEVEN tries it and the players dont like it - they wont play and it will fall on its arse! My guess is that most players will like the change!

None of those sports mentioned require from players the same levels of concentration, therefore noise doesn’t interfere as much with the performance of players. There's a reason why snooker has been played all these years in a quiet environment. If there were no advantages in it, surely crowds wouldn’t have been restrained from making noise all this time.

Players are saying it’s ok now because they are being pressed to accept these changes. After all, this game is their job and at this point, without other alternatives, they will say yes to pretty much anything that puts money into their banking accounts.

[twentytwo]

Of course players will enter in the spirit and will try to win it, the same way we do when we’re playing a card game or some other silly game with money involved. The thing is 147 is not about finding who is the best player at snooker. It’s just about providing an entertainment show featuring snooker players, much like an exhibition of some sort.



None of those sports mentioned require from players the same levels of concentration, therefore noise doesn’t interfere as much with the performance of players. There's a reason why snooker has been played all these years in a quiet environment. If there were no advantages in it, surely crowds wouldn’t have been restrained from making noise all this time.

Players are saying it’s ok now because they are being pressed to accept these changes. After all, this game is their job and at this point, without other alternatives, they will say yes to pretty much anything that puts money into their banking accounts.

Sorry, I didnt realise there was unit of measure for the amount of concentration required in various sports. You can't be serious with that statement...

I would like to hear what Ricky Ponting, Roger Federer, Phil Taylor or Tiger Woods thought about that.

All sport requires concentration - end of!

The fact remains that a high proportion of today's players practise on a daily basis in a club environment, with music on (some with ipods on) and are still able to concentrate - according to the report of the first event, Andrew Pagett made two century breaks, so to say that noise interferes with their performance is clearly lost in the first showing!

I can see that if there is total silence, and someone makes a sudden noise, coughing, mobile phone whatever - it would be dsitracting. However, where a constant noise is present - the sound of people talking to each other in the crowd for example - talking about the on table action (perfectly reasonable I would of thought!) - the mobile phones and cough would be lost and actually become less distracting.

[Migtsf]

I’d like to hear it from Federer and Woods too. Let them say how many shots ahead they have to plan every time.

It’s absurd to suggest the game can be played at the same standard with a crowd noise. Crowd behaviour is unpredictable. They can shout and say and do things to interfere with players’ concentration. If it was the same, the game wouldn’t have been played all these years in a quiet atmosphere in the first place.

It doesn’t matter though because what oneforseven is trying to do is bring the same rubbish that goes on in darts to snooker, where the event is supposed to be a night out with a match in the background going on. Nobody there cares if the standard of game is going to be good or bad.

Perhaps a better name for oneforseven is oneeightzero.

[leeroygor]

I’d like to hear it from Federer and Woods too. Let them say how many shots ahead they have to plan every time.

It’s absurd to suggest the game can be played at the same standard with a crowd noise. Crowd behaviour is unpredictable. They can shout and say and do things to interfere with players’ concentration. If it was the same, the game wouldn’t have been played all these years in a quiet atmosphere in the first place.

It doesn’t matter though because what oneforseven is trying to do is bring the same rubbish that goes on in darts to snooker, where the event is supposed to be a night out with a match in the background going on. Nobody there cares if the standard of game is going to be good or bad.

Perhaps a better name for oneforseven is oneeightzero.

LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so funny Mig. I like it. 180 one eight zero... because of the darts likeness.

i could read your posts all day.

[ja.]

The thing is 147 is not about finding who is the best player at snooker.

obviously not because its about finding the best player at 147 :rolleyes:



The fact remains that a high proportion of today's players practise on a daily basis in a club environment, with music on (some with ipods on) and are still able to concentrate - according to the report of the first event, Andrew Pagett made two century breaks, so to say that noise interferes with their performance is clearly lost in the first showing!

I can see that if there is total silence, and someone makes a sudden noise, coughing, mobile phone whatever - it would be dsitracting. However, where a constant noise is present - the sound of people talking to each other in the crowd for example - talking about the on table action (perfectly reasonable I would of thought!) - the mobile phones and cough would be lost and actually become less distracting.

zactly. even hendo and jimmy are saying that they play better in practice than in tournaments :D i know its the case of pressure and all so the noise really not an issue here.

and leeroy you are a big ginger toad.

[ja.]

It’s absurd to suggest the game can be played at the same standard with a crowd noise. Crowd behaviour is unpredictable. They can shout and say and do things to interfere with players’ concentration. If it was the same, the game wouldn’t have been played all these years in a quiet atmosphere in the first place.

http://9.media.tumblr.com/ytIz30sxRnw39iuvveNLEB8Eo1_400.jpg

[Migtsf]

... infidels!

:D

[ja.]

http://www.global-snooker.com/global-snooker-news-oneforseven-field-complete-091210.asp

i think its great that they've got reanne in. good choice oneforseven :D

[ja.]

http://www.global-snooker.com/global-snooker-news-Higgins-Out-of-ONEFORSEVEN-091218.asp

[ore]

http://www.global-snooker.com/global-snooker-news-Higgins-Out-of-ONEFORSEVEN-091218.asp

Must of seen he's meeting Reanne early in the draw again? :rolleyes:

[ja.]

Must of seen he's meeting Reanne early in the draw again? :rolleyes:
thats what i thought too.

never mind waldo. come on reanne!!!