Coke and Booze...........

[DWOT]

Worked for Alex Higgins and a few Canadians (watched some footage of Kirk Stevens recently and you can clearly tell he's off his rocker!).....

How do you think today's snooker stars would perform on such substances?

Would Ronnie knock in a 2 minute 147?

Would Ebdon have enough mental strength to keep down the rush and still take 5 minutes over a shot?

[cazmac1]

Your treading on dodgey ground here dwot, thats as much as I want to say;):eek::D

[DWOT]

Your treading on dodgey ground here dwot, thats as much as I want to say;):eek::D

It occoured to me whilst watching the reruns of the classic 147's on the red button that back in the day players were clearly using performance enhancing substances on a very regular basis, I've also got lodged somewhere in my mind that Roinnie got a slap on the back of his hand for smoking pot (Which makes his 5 minute 147 all the more amazing!).....

Is meant as being light hearted but if it's gone to far I'll take my wrist slap and move on..........











p.s. what do you know that you're not telling? ;)

[wayync]

Treading on the dodgy ground that this thread will be taken off. I asked a question about smoking pot and playing snooker and it got taken off.

On the side note. I think Paul Hunter also got into some trouble because of smoking pot as well.

Pot makes you slow and coke makes you fast...so which is the better drug for snooker?

[DWOT]

Treading on the dodgy ground that this thread will be taken off. I asked a question about smoking pot and playing snooker and it got taken off.

On the side note. I think Paul Hunter also got into some trouble because of smoking pot as well.

Pot makes you slow and coke makes you fast...so which is the better drug for snooker?


Hmmmm, Pot for Ronnie and Coke for Ebdon?

Seriously though, how striclty are snooker players tested compared to other sportsfolk? You have somebody like Alberto Contador that's been banned for the most minscule traces in his blood in cylcing yet you hear of others in other sprts getting a mild slap, sure Cycling is different to snooker as indeed running 100 meters is different to synchronised swimming....

A part of me would like to see anybody being able to take what they wish just to see how amazing us humans can be with some extra stimulus.

[ADR147]

people from my teenage years might come out of the wood work here but... personally i don't think either ever improved my game that said for a decade i never hit a ball sober so i might not be in a position to know! ah youth i miss it!:(

[jw147]

So basically Ebdon was smoking pot and ronnie was snorting cocaine during theyre epic world championship match a few years ago, ahhh, that explains what happened!

[Theguywithaplan]

So basically Ebdon was smoking pot and ronnie was snorting cocaine during theyre epic world championship match a few years ago, ahhh, that explains what happened!

Yes, looking back it all makes perfect sense :D

[miscuehamburg]

I don't think any drugs would be much of use in snooker. Alone the duration of a match would be a problem for the addict, leave alone the side effects. Maybe some sedative medicament like beta blockers (or beer for that matter) could help some to calm down temporarily, but in the long haul I doubt that would be the road to success.

[Acrowot]

Bill Webinuik used to have loads of beer and took beta blockers on prescription.
I have never, ever taken drugs and even though had plenty of ale in my time, never once had beer whilst playing snooker. I always thought alcohol impaired your snooker ability.

[DWOT]

Bill Webinuik used to have loads of beer and took beta blockers on prescription.
I have never, ever taken drugs and even though had plenty of ale in my time, never once had beer whilst playing snooker. I always thought alcohol impaired your snooker ability.

I think one pint gently supped over a session has little if any effect on MY poor standards of play! :D

[Vex 147]

Well from my experience i can tell you that smoking pot pretty much helps in snooker, you think a bit more about the shot you're going to take, you're not taking any risks on the table whatsoever and that's about it, so if someone asks me...sure...smoke weed and play snooker and you can call it Ganja Snooker :D

Peace!

[ste bed]

pot and snooker do not go together i have smoked weed and played snooker 100s of times and it does not help.

[Luke Hooper]

im not sure how DWOT would be treading on thin ice with this thread anyway but i wil say this, i very rarely drink now when im playing, and if and when i do its only when its a really social game, and ill just be having a pint. Back when i was a misguided youth i never really touched drugs anyway, especially not cocaine or anything in the higher classes. The only thing ive ever been interested in is alcohol lol.

I know all sports are regularly tested etc etc but the one thing i cant get over is that if ronnie had got a slap on the wrist for smoking pot, when its not medically prescribed, then why cant someone with heart troubles (ie my dad) use his heart spray in the middle of a game if he starts getting chest pains?

The answer to that question is that it slows down the heart rate allowing the adrenaline to slow down i guess so you can keep your cool easier i imagine but thats practically the same/if not very similar to pot is it not?

i dont think there is a drug available that could really help your snooker, ie it cant make you line your cue up better and cue straighter to pot the ball and know how hard to hit it for positional play.... but what do i know? haha

[DWOT]

What I will say is that my highest ever break of 46 came at the height of my dope smoking days, infact if I'm honest I was most definatelty a better player under the influence....

I might have to have a crafty smoke before my next match and report back as to hoe it helped/hindered my game.

[cazmac1]

I agree that alcohol, definitly ruins your game. My biggest fault is movement on the shot and this gets worse after just two pints, after three I can miss anything. Hence I'm giving up the drink while playing in future.

[ADR147]

I agree that alcohol, definitly ruins your game. My biggest fault is movement on the shot and this gets worse after just two pints, after three I can miss anything. Hence I'm giving up the drink while playing in future.

i think i would rather give up playing snooker!

[cazmac1]

i think i would rather give up playing snooker!


Don't miss understand me, I'm only giving up drink while playing. I'll drink twice as much after the game to make up for it:D

[ADR147]

oh thats ok then - imagine the pain of watching the chap you are playing drinking pint after pint though - its going to kill you especially if he beats you!

[cazmac1]

If it gets that bad the weels will come off the wagon and I'll order a large double, have a line down the rail and a nip outside for a big splif:D

[ADR147]

If it gets that bad the weels will come off the wagon and I'll order a large double, have a line down the rail and a nip outside for a big splif:D

i believe that combo is known in some circles as a 'Kirk'

[jim evans]

drink,drink,drink,drink,drink,drink,drink, and still playing

[jamesa54321]

Smoking pot and playing - i used to think I was on an amazing break when really I wasn't. Every 20 felt like 40, every 30 like 60.

[the_Crippler09]

Never smoked while playin, but i wud imagine it wudnt help very much.

I used to play pool and take a couple of lines and i gotta tell ya, i was untouchable!! No ball was unpottable :D

[DWOT]

i believe that combo is known in some circles as a 'Kirk'


LOL!

Now if I thought I any chance of gettign a 147 I'd be tempted....

:D

[DWOT]

drink,drink,drink,drink,drink,drink,drink, and still playing

2 drinks, snooker, driving, shopping and I'm knackered!

:snooker:

[cazmac1]

2 drinks, snooker, driving, shopping and I'm knackered!

:snooker:

two drinks, then driving:eek: I hope thats the del drive;):D

[DWOT]

two drinks, then driving:eek: I hope thats the del drive;):D

I drove over a Del on the way back, does that count?

[cazmac1]

He's a big lad, I bet your car must be a wright off

[DWOT]

He's a big lad, I bet your car must be a wright off


Sorry, I meant a Dell.........

Stupid thing packed up a few weeks back and needed sorting!

:)

[ace man]

I think the top players are mentally so strong anyway that they wouldn't get any benefit from performance enhancing drugs. They know how to stay calm and relatively relaxed in critical situations. This is what separates them from lesser pro players. Using chemicals might even disturb them.

I am 100% certain that myself and many other club level amateurs might benefit from using cocaine or beta blockers during competitions. But, you know what? I'd never use that stuff. I don't think risking your own health is worth it. Better to lose every single match.

Besides, it's blatant cheating, isn't it? I mean slowing your heart rate down, gaining confidence out of nowhere...there's a reason they are called performance enhancing drugs.

[DWOT]

Right, I've been and got myself sorted, I usually play pottingpinks every Sunday night so I hope he's ready for a pasting tonight! ;-)

[jim evans]

go on then dwayne what the hell is potting pinks,if its too do with your sex life and you dont want to publish pm,lol

[Acrowot]

Lol Jim.

Think maybe pottingpinks is his mate's ID.
:snooker:

[DWOT]

go on then dwayne what the hell is potting pinks,if its too do with your sex life and you dont want to publish pm,lol

LOL, it's our 1st team captains name on here!

:o

[jim evans]

i remember now its the alszimer thing i think what were we on about lol

[the_Crippler09]

Pretty sure gange speeds the heart-rate up, altho it does relax the muscles, i think something like Valium wud be better for nerves.

[cyclone crouch]

interesting debate,, when i first started playing back in the early 80,s,,,for my generation it was all about getting stoned,,, i remember smoking, then we would play in a cafe, all lights out, apart from the snooker table,,,played some great stuff, totally absorbed within the table,,
years later i found it hard as it can make you paranoid,, so i total had to stop smoking/playing,, i found i needed to be in total control of body and mind!!,,,,,cocaine is another story and Ive got a few!!! but one thing i know!!!
you cant beat a NATURAL in the ZONE buzz!!!!!:snooker:

[Jake]

Had some Acid and played snooker before. Just a casual thing round a mates house. Everything seemed beautiful and all the balls and colours just merged into one entity.

So yeah not really playing, just watching colours go round the table, the baize felt nice too. haha

[steedee]

Had some Acid and played snooker before. Just a casual thing round a mates house. Everything seemed beautiful and all the balls and colours just merged into one entity.

So yeah not really playing, just watching colours go round the table, the baize felt nice too. haha

i once brushed an american pool table the night after a tab. purple cloth covered in blue, green and red coloured chalk.... Amazing experience. Took about an hour. :p

[Jake]

i once brushed an american pool table the night after a tab. purple cloth covered in blue, green and red coloured chalk.... Amazing experience. Took about an hour. :p

Hahaha, brilliant :D

[DWOT]

I often play like I'm on acid!

[Acrowot]

When I played darts, some (three) of our local super league team used to take drugs, but did not play as well as the rest of us, one tea total and the rest of us on alcohol, but they sure did like to fight sometimes.
:snooker:

[PatBlock]

Don't want to seem like a party pooper here, but I just thought I should point out that the UK police have prosecuted people for mentioning on-line that they'd indulged in illicit substances.

Nuf said.

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[DWOT]

That's OK, I'm a whizz with photoshop and can easily knock up some images of the arresting officers indulging!

I should probably have indulged tonight.....

[ADR147]

Don't want to seem like a party pooper here, but I just thought I should point out that the UK police have prosecuted people for mentioning on-line that they'd indulged in illicit substances.

Nuf said.

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on what charge - they would need to prove it.

[Nugget]

Don't want to seem like a party pooper here, but I just thought I should point out that the UK police have prosecuted people for mentioning on-line that they'd indulged in illicit substances.

Nuf said.

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I'd like to see some evidence of this. I'd be stunned if it was possible to charge anyone with a drug-related offence based on what they have posted online, unless the posts led police to some actual evidence. Even then, if this has actually happened I will be disgusted. The War on Drugs is sufficiently idiotic without police patrolling internet snooker forums catching harmless stoners.

[PatBlock]

on what charge - they would need to prove it.

Don't ask me, I'm a piano tuner not a lawyer. I just remember it being on the news and in the papers a few years ago. Someone said on facebook that they'd indulged, they were 'grassed' up (excuse the pun) and charged. I know it sounds unreal, but it's true. Big brother is watching, and you really can't be too careful these days.

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[steedee]

Well its been a good while since there was anything in my system, gladly give them a sample, me.

[Jake]

Don't ask me, I'm a piano tuner not a lawyer. I just remember it being on the news and in the papers a few years ago. Someone said on facebook that they'd indulged, they were 'grassed' up (excuse the pun) and charged. I know it sounds unreal, but it's true. Big brother is watching, and you really can't be too careful these days.

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It wasn't Acid I took, I slipped and drank domestos. :confused:

[andy carson]

Don't want to seem like a party pooper here, but I just thought I should point out that the UK police have prosecuted people for mentioning on-line that they'd indulged in illicit substances.

Nuf said.

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urban myth.

the taking of the substances is not actually illegal its the buying, selling and possesion that is.

[nevets]

urban myth.

the taking of the substances is not actually illegal its the buying, selling and possesion that is.

Spot on Andy. There is no law against taking drugs, only supply and possession.

[Acrowot]

Why does anyone need to take drugs?
:snooker:

[cally]

Why does anyone need to take drugs?
:snooker:

You've lived a sheltered life eh bud....:p:D:snooker:

[PatBlock]

urban myth.

the taking of the substances is not actually illegal its the buying, selling and possesion that is.

That may be true, but it's practically irrelevant.

How on earth can you use a thing without possessing it? The law may well be an ass, but it's not completely brain-dead. If you admit you 'took' something, then it's naturally going to assume that you had it to take. So admission of use is, for all intents and purposes, also admission of possession.

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[jonplayer]

Drugs are bad, mmm kay

[andy carson]

That may be true, but it's practically irrelevant.

How on earth can you use a thing without possessing it? The law may well be an ass, but it's not completely brain-dead. If you admit you 'took' something, then it's naturally going to assume that you had it to take. So admission of use is, for all intents and purposes, also admission of possession.

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you can NOT be done for saying you took E coke weed or whatever on an internet message board or facebook or twitter.

[PatBlock]

you can NOT be done for saying you took E coke weed or whatever on an internet message board or facebook or twitter.

I'm sorry, but you can. I saw the news article on the telly with my own eyes and ears. (and no, I wasn't hallucinating at the time.)

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[nevets]

Sorry Pat, you can't. I work in this field.

[PatBlock]

Sorry Pat, you can't. I work in this field.

Well nev, I saw the article, I don't know what else to say. Both me and the MRS remember it well, because we were so surprised.

Are you saying that as far as the law is concerned, admission of use is not taken as admission of possession?

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[andy carson]

I'm sorry, but you can. I saw the news article on the telly with my own eyes and ears. (and no, I wasn't hallucinating at the time.)

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you can NOT be done for simply saying you took a substance..

however you CAN be investigated and possibly charged with possession if you post pictures or someone else posts pictures of you taking said substance and subsequent investigation finds some still on your person.

it can not be proved in a court of law that you saying on here facebook or where ever that you took an e last night actually happened, they need video or photographic evidence at the least and of course witnesses

[PatBlock]

you can NOT be done for simply saying you took a substance..

however you CAN be investigated and possibly charged with possession if you post pictures or someone else posts pictures of you taking said substance and subsequent investigation finds some still on your person.

it can not be proved in a court of law that you saying on here facebook or where ever that you took an e last night actually happened, they need video or photographic evidence at the least and of course witnesses

It's called circumstantial evidence, and it jails people every day.

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[cally]

I'm with Andy carson on this one, of course he's right...:rolleyes:...

on this occasion anyway like...:D:p

[andy carson]

It's called circumstantial evidence, and it jails people every day.

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wrong..

hard evidence is what convicts people, circumstantial is taken into account when hard evidence is provided, but it can not be relied on just on its own ;)

[nevets]

Technically, if you have taken a substance and it is still in your body, you are in possession. However nobody has ever been convicted in this way.

Admission of past use would never lead to a conviction in any court.

To prove the point, I will freely admit that I have smoked cannabis in the past. Now if I get a drugs conviction, my career is over:eek:

But I wont.;)

[PatBlock]

Technically, if you have taken a substance and it is still in your body, you are in possession. However nobody has ever been convicted in this way.

Admission of past use would never lead to a conviction in any court.

To prove the point, I will freely admit that I have smoked cannabis in the past. Now if I get a drugs conviction, my career is over:eek:

But I wont.;)

To be fair nev, that's hardly proof positive is it, we all know it's extremely unlikely that you'll be charged for that admission, but that doesn't mean that it is legally impossible.

A quick search and I found this referance to the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971, which seems to be relevant:

"The most common offense is possession of a controlled drug. This includes joint possession of a common pool of drugs and past possession, when past drug use is admitted....."

Source:
http://www.urban75.com/Drugs/druglaws.html

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[nevets]

Fair point, but without evidence, there can be no conviction.

Without evidence, past possession can just be denied. That's why the courts don't bother with it.

I'm no lawyer as you can tell. I deal with the real world, and believe me, it doesn't happen.

[PatBlock]

Fair point, but without evidence, there can be no conviction.

Without evidence, past possession can just be denied. That's why the courts don't bother with it.

I'm no lawyer as you can tell. I deal with the real world, and believe me, it doesn't happen.

Yes, but a written admission of past use would be admissible as strong circumstantial evidence, as long as the police could prove that the accused wrote it.

And like I said before, people are convicted all the time on nothing more than circumstantial evidence, and for far more serious crimes than recreational drug use.

I'm not saying that it happens all the time, but it DID happen once, unless the BBC or whatever channel we were watching at the time made it all up, which I doubt.

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[nevets]

Maybe you are right in terms of the law. But I don't think it would get to court. Time and resources too precious in view of the amount of police and court time already spent on drug-related offences.

And who would be foolish enough to give a written admission in the absence of any other evidence?

[PatBlock]

Maybe you are right in terms of the law. But I don't think it would get to court. Time and resources too precious in view of the amount of police and court time already spent on drug-related offences.

And who would be foolish enough to give a written admission in the absence of any other evidence?

His original post was the written admission, that's the whole point you barm pot! :D

As to the motives of the CPS for such a prosecution, followed by the TV coverage, well use your imagination.

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[hotpot]

To bring about a criminal conviction the evidence needs to be beyond reasonable doubt which is quite strong .

In a civil court the proof is on the balance of probabilities which is a lot lees concrete .

[nevets]

His original post was the written admission, that's the whole point you barm pot! :D

As to the motives of the CPS for such a prosecution, followed by the TV coverage, well use your imagination.

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A post on a snooker forum does not count as written admission.

[PatBlock]

A post on a snooker forum does not count as written admission.

Well, we're going round in circles here, so we'll just have to agree to disagree. I'm a bit disappointed that nobody takes me at my word when I say that I actually saw this news article on TV, but there you go.

Anyway, I'm off to watch masterchef with the Mrs. Night all.

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[cally]

Must be true if you saw it on TV then...lol...:):D:p

[nevets]

Well, we're going round in circles here, so we'll just have to agree to disagree. I'm a bit disappointed that nobody takes me at my word when I say that I actually saw this news article on TV, but there you go.

Anyway, I'm off to watch masterchef with the Mrs. Night all.

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Certainly don't doubt what you say mate, just trying to point out what happens on an everyday basis in my experience. Interesting discussion though.

[PatBlock]

Certainly don't doubt what you say mate, just trying to point out what happens on an everyday basis in my experience. Interesting discussion though.

Yeah, it was a good chat, cheers mate.

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[PatBlock]

Must be true if you saw it on TV then...lol...:):D:p

What are you implying? Next you'll be telling me that Coronation Street isn't actually real life. :eek:

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[steedee]

there were that bloke off the telly who said he helped his ex boyfriend to die and subsequently got arrested for what he said... he stated it wasnt true and he'd made it up... and then he got arrested again, for wasting police time!

so in theory, any of us could get arrested for saying we used to take drugs, deny it and still get into trouble. in theory.

having said that, stand up comics often talk about drug experiences in their routines and dont get nicked so who knows?

[DWOT]

Am loving the direction this thread has taken!

[nevets]

there were that bloke off the telly who said he helped his ex boyfriend to die and subsequently got arrested for what he said... he stated it wasnt true and he'd made it up... and then he got arrested again, for wasting police time!

so in theory, any of us could get arrested for saying we used to take drugs, deny it and still get into trouble. in theory.

having said that, stand up comics often talk about drug experiences in their routines and dont get nicked so who knows?


Politicians are very keen to admit past drug use these days. Do you think they would do that if there was any risk of arrest?

[nevets]

Am loving the direction this thread has taken!

Yeah, sorry DWOT, let's get back to the original question:

Could drugs improve your snooker?

No.

Job done.:D