which is more difficult

[flame]

right ppl,i play snooker,i also play darts,in my circle of darts and snooker players, recently we have been debating which is hardest to achieve, a 9 darter or a 147. my choice would be a 9 darter(don't really have a reason,only that playing both,my gut says 9 darter) would be interesting to hear your thoughts. Bill

[the_paz]

well, trying to talk my mrs into a threesome is proving more difficult than both those at the minute to be honest lol

[finabb]

With darts the distance from the board is always the same, your height is always the same, the throwing angle is always the same and you only need 9 perfect throws. Snooker the distance between balls and pockets are always different the potting angles are always different and you have to pot 36 perfect balls with ball control and position

So I say a snooker 147 is much harder, some pro's have only had a few 147's in practice and in matches, I would think dart pro's have quite a few 9 darters in practice and not so many in matches.

[flame]

well, trying to talk my mrs into a threesome is proving more difficult than both those at the minute to be honest lol

your 1 lucky b*****d even talking about a 3some

[jrc750]

well, trying to talk my mrs into a threesome is proving more difficult than both those at the minute to be honest lol

There is just never the right time to ask that question is there ;)

I would say 9 darter is easier, as you need to play 36 shots to get a 147, and a frame of snooker is never ever the same, whilst a dart board never changes

[jrc750]

.... and you have to pot 37 perfect pots.....

Sure its not 36 ;)

[finabb]

Sure its not 36 ;)

yeah once i've done a 147 I always pot the white after the handshake:rolleyes: 37:):)

[flame]

Sure its not 36 ;)

i would be happy making a 36 or 37 at snooker or darts.

[gtjohnnymac1965]

Both obviously absolute pinnacles of their respective games, and, having played both games to a pretty high level, I would have to say they are both equally as elusive. As for which is the hardest to achieve....give both a try...you will never get near either one I am sure!

[jrc750]

I used to play darts a bit 30 years ago :eek:...once got triple 20 5 times in a row so i was more than half way there :D
Not even close to halfway getting a 147 :(

[circle]

You cant compare chalk and cheese - its as simple as that

[the_paz]

err yeah, thanks for your imput circle lol

i'd say a 9 darter is the harder, there's so many options on a snooker table.....

[Acrowot]

have had quite a good few 10 darters, but never a 9. 10 darters in matches. Will never get a 147.

As circle says, it is like chalk and cheese.
:snooker:

[nevets]

So has anyone done both? He's the only man that can answer this question.

[wildJONESEYE]

With darts the distance from the board is always the same, your height is always the same, the throwing angle is always the same and you only need 9 perfect throws. Snooker the distance between balls and pockets are always different the potting angles are always different and you have to pot 36 perfect balls with ball control and position

So I say a snooker 147 is much harder, some pro's have only had a few 147's in practice and in matches, I would think dart pro's have quite a few 9 darters in practice and not so many in matches.

When you think about it more things can go wrong in going for a 147 than a 9 darter.

in Darts its the same thing and in many ways you always try for the triple 20 and if you lucky to get 6 in that spot then you got a chance but its the same thing throw throw throw throw throw.

in Snooker you Got to leave Angles to finish on the Black then Split the Pack hoping you wont Send reds on to cushings where getting on a black isn't possible.

Snooker is more Skill based than Darts where as Darts is just same old same old every time and with every pot you get and every black your on the Pressure is getting worst and worst and worst.....

in Darts i think the Pressure of a 9 Darter isnt on until you got 2 180s so theres 3 darts for a 9 darter pressure.

[wayync]

So has anyone done both? He's the only man that can answer this question.
Has anyone done both plus bowl a perfect 300 and drive a hole in one, now that would be a spectacular achievement...

[chasmmi]

I would imagine that if I threw enough darts (to at least a basic level of competence) at the board, I would one day get a 9 dart finish just it may take years of continuous throwing.

Conversely I don't think anybody could ever get a 147 without being a very good player.

Same goes with a hole in one, teach me how to hit a golf ball okish and if I play 1,000,000 par three holes, one may end up being a hole in one.

[fateric]

I'm sure Steve Davis said he'd had 14 or 15 darts for 501 so as far as I know he's the closest to a 9-darter and 147. Anyone beat that?

Mat

ps I Don't think Phil Taylor's had a 144!!!:-)

[northerner]

Bear in mind that in every leg, both players begin by going for a 9 darter. That is not the case in snooker. In snooker the main objective is to win the frame. Yet we see more 147 breaks in pro snooker than 9 dart finishes in pro darts. Therefore either the 9 darter is harder, or darts players simply aren't as good as snooker players.

[cueman]

I think the 9 dart is harder, mainly because of the pressure aspect. With snooker when on a break you can decide to go for a 147 if the balls present themselves nicely. Quite often you can tell from the first couple of reds if there is a 147 on and most players are so good around the black spot its a surprise if they mess up. Also you always have choices of reds to play on, go too far for one and you will be on another which is the secret to breakbuilding, giving yourself options.

Now in darts its always alternative throw so if you start a leg with a 180 and your opponent hits back then straight away its pressure. Also when on a finish you have the whole crowd making noise and getting excited which is so difficult to shut out, any slight snatch in your throw and its chance over. There is no margin for error on a 9 dart leg but how many breaks have we seen in snooker where luck or a fluke plays a part in break!

[nrage]

Bear in mind that in every leg, both players begin by going for a 9 darter. That is not the case in snooker. In snooker the main objective is to win the frame. Yet we see more 147 breaks in pro snooker than 9 dart finishes in pro darts. Therefore either the 9 darter is harder, or darts players simply aren't as good as snooker players.

In darts, hitting the treble 20 is the same difficulty for every throw. It doesn't get easier or harder, in and of itself. So, lets say you have a 1/3 chance of hitting it, the change of you getting 9 in a row is:

1/3 x 1/3 x 1/3 x 1/3 x 1/3 x 1/3 x 1/3 x 1/3 x 1/3 = 1/19683 or a 1 in 19683 chance.

With snooker, the pros have a 9/10 or 19/20 or even 29/30 and higher chance of most of the pots involved in a break, assuming they don't get out of position. Usually there is only 1 or 2 really hard shots 5/10, and maybe 3 or 4 or maybe a few more slightly difficult ones. Of course, with snooker you have to make 15 reds, 15 blacks, and all the colours so that's 36 pots in a row which adds an element of concentration and consistency to the equations.

And that's not even taking into account pressure, or any other effects.

[gem]

I think it would be the darts as well although both are fantastic for the crowd to watch.

[deant1982]

I have played both (snooker to div 1 standard, darts county youth level and I estimate a div 2 standard) my opinion is they are both as hard to acheive as each other.
In snooker, you can have a kick, bad cannon, dead cushion, plus you have to play either very good positional play, or some fantastic pots to keep the break going.
In darts you get the deflections from hitting flights, possible "robin hoods", and also throwing the dart quarter of an inch further/harder results in it being all over. I would say there is no way to directly compare the two, but just repect anyone that acheives either!
My best effort at each -
Playing my mate, 180, 180, t20, missed t15 for the 9 darter (I also did the same again a few years later, but missed t19) 7 perfect darts.
Different friend broke off, I potted long red, black and split the pack, and took another 8 reds, 7 blacks, before snookering myself on the black developing 2 reds. I potted the blue, and ended up touching ball on a red with no possible pot.

[The Statman]

Yes this came up a long while ago (maybe on a different forum because I can't find it on here) and there are a number of arguments favouring both sides.

- in snooker, the balls may already be in awkward positions (and in most cases will require a favourable split) whereas the parameters are always the same in darts
- a failure on any shot in darts is the end of it whereas you may still have a (more difficult) shot to keep it going in snooker
- there are more reds so more choice of 'routes' to get a 147 in snooker but there are fewer permutations in darts
- in any game, only one player will have a chance of a 147 in snooker whereas either player could do it in darts
- there is more scope for unlucky occurrences in snooker than in darts
- natural shot selection in snooker may well cancel a 147 early in a turn, whereas the procedure required for a 9-darter is almost always the shot that the player will be aiming for to win the game

There are half a dozen off the top of my head, roughly cancelling each other out. I'm sure there are others for both sides.

[jrc750]

Yes this came up a long while ago (maybe on a different forum because I can't find it on here) .....

It is this very thread Statman ;)
147 is hardest imo

[The Statman]

It is this very thread Statman ;)
147 is hardest imoNo I'm talking many years ago!

Another is that, in snooker, if you get beyond 80 there is no pressure of the match situation but that may not be the case in darts.

[DaveMadeThis]

Yesterday I got a 147 on the dart board and a 9 break on the snooker table. So close...

[farlex11]

Hi All,

I actually used to play darts regularly and think that getting 9 perfect darts is much easier as you can keep practicing the same shots ,keeping in mind that there are no variables .same distance, same height,
same darts..
you can't even compare 9 perfect darts with a century.

[SnookerFan]

I got a dart board at home, and my dart skills are wildly inconsistent. I hit a bullseye the other day, followed by missing the board with the next shot. :D I have got a 97 with three darts, and have also got 0 with 3 darts because I missed the board. So I'm not saying a nine-dart finish is easy. But I'd pick a 147. Namely because I've never picked up a snooker cue, just due to being the worst pool player in history.

But, I look at it like this. A nine dart finish requires nine perfect shots. A 147 requires 36 perfect shots.

Or is that too simple.

[SnookerFan]

But, I'm more of a snooker fan then a darts fan. I rarely watch darts on telly at all. A darts fan might think differently.