Ronnie O Sullivan v Neil Robertson - Quarter Final

[peterpackage]

Another great matchup

This is gonna be a straight out firefight plain and simple. Both players are capable of one visit kills and session dominations.

Let the games begin !

[FerruleFox]

I agree. The two favourites for the title. Should be excellent.

[Mr O]

Robertson is too tough and Ronnie won't be at his best. Robertson to win about 13-7...... and then to go on to win the title. He is playing superbly well and nothing tends to faze him. First to 13 Robertson is clear fave for the title now..

[breakman16]

Robertson is too tough and Ronnie won't be at his best. Robertson to win about 13-7...... and then to go on to win the title. He is playing superbly well and nothing tends to faze him. First to 13 Robertson is clear fave for the title now..

wow 13-7!! I'd go for Robertson 13-12, gonna be epic, I think they'll be lots of good safety play too, both will be desparate not to leave the other easy chances! This is what the worlds is all about folks, the best of the best playing over 3 and 4 session matches, I want the winner of this to win the title, unless Hendry gets to the final, then it's the great man all the way!!

[checkSide]

There are great players, and then there are genuine genii.

If O'Sullivan plays well he will show a gulf in class that people would never have believed existed.

O'Sullivan 13-9.



Go Ronnie!
Cheers. :D

[Mr O]

Of the 2 Ronnie is more likely to get a 147 especially if he's a few frames behind and let's his arm go. But when it gets to the nitty gritty he's more likely than Robertson to miss something he shouldn't and his head might go

[Rane]

O´sullivan is quoted for this sentence tonight "I think whoever wins this tournament will have to beat Neil Robertson" I guess it means that O´Sullivan expects the winner of his match with Robertson to get to the final. I think I´ll back up on his opinion.

[Mr O]

Had Robertson at 8/1 before the start. When he lost to Trump in the UK he had a very unlucky shot at 1 frame behind. Potted an extremely hard- what would have been frame ball- and snookered himself. But for that he'd be UK champ aswell as Masters champ, which in today's company is very impressive

[montoya10]

O´sullivan is quoted for this sentence tonight "I think whoever wins this tournament will have to beat Neil Robertson" I guess it means that O´Sullivan expects the winner of his match with Robertson to get to the final. I think I´ll back up on his opinion.

Logical interpretation:

"If I beat Robertson, you're done for. I'll get the title."
"If Robertson beats me and then the winner of Day v Stevens, he's in the final, so, he's the man to beat for the title, of course."
"If Robertson beats me and the winner of Day v Stevens knocks him out, the winner of Day v Stevens wins it all."

[Odrl]

Ah yes, this is the match I'm most looking forward to, and if Maguire wasn't still in the tournament, I think this match would have decided the championship. :)

There is no doubt Ronnie O'Sullivan has played some of the best snooker of the tournament so far, particularly in the second session against Williams. His scoring has been very efficient, he has won a lot of frames in one visit, some where he has had to develop the balls from nothing. His long potting percentage has also been excellent, not only has it not been a weakness in his game, it's actually been a great strength so far. We also haven't seen any nonsense from him yet, which was kind of expected against Williams, but he held it together against Ebdon as well. He looks to be very focused on winning the title here, and this match is perhaps his biggest obstacle...

Neil Robertson has been very good as well, two comfortable wins against players who were playing well themselves. I thought Gilbert was quite unlucky to have found himself in this particular part of the draw, because he was playing well enough to go further in the tournament. But every time he put any pressure on Robertson, Robertson responded brilliantly, with clinical snooker when in the balls. He may not be quite as creative as O'Sullivan in developing good scoring positions, but he is doing enough to win a lot of frames in one visit. Compared to Williams, I think he could be a much tougher opponent for O'Sullivan. First of all, he is clearly in better form, so any tricky balls that Williams was missing will probably be going in with a higher percentage for Robertson. He also won't play to O'Sullivan's strengths, so I'm sure he will opt for safeties on shots that could leave O'Sullivan in with an easy chance.

I think the rhythm of this match could also be quite different to O'Sullivan-Williams. Robertson certainly has quite a studious approach these days, taking his time on any crucial or tricky shots. I reckon he will make sure to do it if he senses O'Sullivan is getting anxious as well. Robertson also doesn't have any psychological disadvantage against O'Sullivan. They've played a number of big matches in recent seasons, although perhaps none as big as this one. Robertson won a couple of quarter-finals in the 06/07 season, then lost to O'Sullivan in the 2nd round of the 2007 WC, their only three-session match so far. O'Sullivan also beat him in the Masters in 2010, a match in which Robertson threw everything he had at O'Sullivan, getting to a 3-0 lead, before O'Sullivan played some top-notch snooker to prevail 6-4. Then there was the 2010 World Open final, a convincing win for Robertson. I can't think of any others, at least not major ones... So no particular edge either way, something that O'Sullivan will miss perhaps, because he is great at exploiting any psychological edge.

So, for O'Sullivan to win this match, the key will be keeping his discipline, resisting any frustration over the three sessions. He will also be looking to put some early pressure on Robertson, taking a couple of frames in one visit, letting Robertson know that any mistake will be punished heavily. And if he can keep his potting from distance on the same level as against Williams, he will be very hard to stop. Robertson of course needs to keep it tight and not let O'Sullivan in the balls too many times. He is not so dependent on rhythm when scoring, so a more fragmented match should be to his advantage. He needs to try to dominate the safety exchanges, either forcing O'Sullivan to make mistakes, or get in first with a high percentage from distance.

This pairing reminds me of 2010, when O'Sullivan faced Selby after a tremendous performance against Williams. He dominated the match early on, getting a good lead with some magical snooker, but then somewhat fell apart as Selby was grinding his way back into the match. I don't expect this match to go quite the same way, because Robertson is known to dominate matches when he is playing well, he doesn't really go behind. I can see it being fairly close in the first two sessions, a frame or two either way, but when the pressure really comes on in the big finale, Robertson has to be favourite. I reckon he will prevail 13-10. :)

[Guy3103]

I don't really think, I just shoot out what I actually want to happen... Ronnie wins 13-10!

[DamienB]

what is the time and date for this match?

[FerruleFox]

Tomorrow afternoon session.

[Ronnie's tip]

Fancy a 13-10 Robertson win here. It will be like last years QF between ROS and Higgins.

[the montrealer]

Tomorrow afternoon session.

HI at what time is the match between Osullivan and Robertson British Time would that be 3 pm British time maybe someone knoiws. I do not want to miiss this match which will be shown live on the Internet



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[cueman]

Another great match that would have made a better final. Its a tough draw for both players and I just wonder whether the winner will have enough left in the tank for a semi and final. I don't think its a certainty that the winner of this will win the tournament. Obviously the other half of the draw is a little easier in that respect.

Much as I want Ronnie to win I think Robertson has the game to upset Ronnie's rythmn. We'll see plenty of Robertson walking around the table and doing his usual table ownership and it does affect his opponents. Ronnie will need to stamp his authority on this game in the first session if he's to stand any chance of winning.

[montoya10]

Robertson is Peter Ebdon with hair these days. Methodical, relies on long potting, takes his time for shots, doesn't care if balls go to awkward places and in fact, tries to keep the balls closed. Even so, I don't expect his determination level to reach the great heights of Ebdon's 2002 run. It's too much for him, perhaps.

Ronnie's long potting has been the best amongst all players in this tournament. He didn't quite pull out Trump-esque outreageous ones, but he nearly didn't miss a ball that you could call a half chance. MJW plays the game at a tempo quite close to Ronnie, so, he's kind of player taking the match into Ronnie's background. He'd only stay with Ronnie had he played his best and he didn't. Robertson will never do this and I'll not be surprised at all if we see the black tied up at early stages of the frame. Selby tends to do this when he's playing against Ronnie and this is quite a frustrating approach for him, a displeasure he doesn't even need to hide with his body language.

I'm still sticking to my pre-tournament prediction and call Stephen Maguire to win it all at this point. Maguire certainly wouldn't fancy facing a nemesis in the final, but then again, I'm not sure if it's the same kind of match if they play a four-session game. Still, I guess it's going to be a Maguire-Robertson final (Stevens to pull something out of bag? He scored excellently in his first two matches and will probably put aside Day. Not sure what he can do against Robertson, but writing him off will be a big, big mistake), with Maguire getting the title.

This prediction kind of forces my hand to go with Robertson in this match. 13-11 is my prediction and there could be a maximum, perhaps? Wishful thinking. A bit :)

[st_hendry]

13-9 ronnie

[Odrl]

Another great match that would have made a better final. Its a tough draw for both players and I just wonder whether the winner will have enough left in the tank for a semi and final. I don't think its a certainty that the winner of this will win the tournament. Obviously the other half of the draw is a little easier in that respect.

Yes, very dangerous when you have two of the favourites meeting as early as the QF, especially if the winner needs to call on all of his reserves of energy and concentration. I think it's a little easier this year though, because there isn't a Selby or a Murphy awaiting in the semi-finals, it's going to be an opponent O'Sullivan or Robertson should beat in normal circumstances.


Maguire certainly wouldn't fancy facing a nemesis in the final, but then again, I'm not sure if it's the same kind of match if they play a four-session game.

By "nemesis", I assume you mean O'Sullivan? It's interesting, one of the reasons I would like to see a Maguire-Robertson final is the great rivalry they have developed in recent seasons. I think it was the 08/09 season where they seemed to play each other in the quarter-finals of every tournament. They've also played a couple of times at the WC, but it was always one-sided, with one of them playing their best, and the other not so much. Maguire had the better of their rivalry for a long time, before Robertson improved the head-to-head in the more recent meetings.

They've not played a big match for a while now, so I would definitely enjoy this pairing in the World final. :)

[LittleMissAlexa]

13-11 rocket

[montoya10]

By "nemesis", I assume you mean O'Sullivan? It's interesting, one of the reasons I would like to see a Maguire-Robertson final is the great rivalry they have developed in recent seasons. I think it was the 08/09 season where they seemed to play each other in the quarter-finals of every tournament. They've also played a couple of times at the WC, but it was always one-sided, with one of them playing their best, and the other not so much. Maguire had the better of their rivalry for a long time, before Robertson improved the head-to-head in the more recent meetings.

They've not played a big match for a while now, so I would definitely enjoy this pairing in the World final. :)

Yes, he doesn't have a great record against O'Sullivan and the German Masters final can really get to his head if O'Sullivan starts to play well. Psychological effect could cause a deterioration in his game. It'd be one real scoring match, so, definitely this would be enjoyable, too.
Maguire is probably the most efficient attacking player of his generation, so, you'd expect him to outscore Robertson in an open contest, but then again, Robertson will try to do everything to prevent that scenario from happening.
I'll be content with the final in either way :)

[johnsusername]

At a push, maybe Robbo will win this - but it might leave him shattered for the semi final. But then I've got every prediction wrong so far in this tournament!

[gazza147]

If Ronnie turns up with the "Right Head On" he will Win 13-7.

[Mr Snooker]

the only two seeds playing each other in the q/f this Neil (6) and Ronnie (14), Ronnie played flawless snooker againts Mark Williams in the last 16 second session and if he keeps it up he will beat Neil comfortably i think, but Neil is a very strong player another close one i think 13-11 Ronnie head to head meetings Ronnie 7 Neil 4

[spike]

This has all the crudentials of turning out to be a classic on paper, but as we have seen already with Higgins/Hendry and Williams/O'Sullivan this isn't always the case. Both O'Sullivan & Robertson appear to be cueing as well as ever, especially in their second round matches, with O'Sullivan having produced a higher standard of play, (second session against Williams) was Snooker from the gods. Both are devesating long potters, both have a good all round safety game and both score heavily when in the balls. I see no reason why we shouldn't be treated to a tremondous quarter-final, between these two great players.


It's a really hard match to call, either player is good enough to make it to the semis, though i feel Robertson's tactical play is superior to O'Sullivan's, plus Robertson has a sound temperament, which is not always the case with O'Sullivan. Though in saying that O'Sullivan alot of patience and has looked very focused from the start of this tournament.


Neil Robertson to prevail 13-11..

[paul180]

o,sullivan 13-8 robertson

[ace man]

I give slight advantage to Ronnie maybe because he'll certainly get more support from the crowd. It will be a better match than a Williams one, that's for sure. Was anyone else disappointed with Williams attitude during and after the match? It looked as though he never really believed he could beat Ronnie! How could a double WC have so little confidence? I mean lesser players than Mark have beaten Ronnie in long matches...

[jaffa.johnson]

I give slight advantage to Ronnie maybe because he'll certainly get more support from the crowd. It will be a better match than a Williams one, that's for sure. Was anyone else disappointed with Williams attitude during and after the match? It looked as though he never really believed he could beat Ronnie! How could a double WC have so little confidence? I mean lesser players than Mark have beaten Ronnie in long matches...

When you havent beaten somebody for 10 years, it plays in your mind and you doubt yourself.

On the other side it is also in Ronnies mind and he knows he has the advantage.

[jaffa.johnson]

I fancy Ronnie for 13-10.

[armstm]

Come on ron!

[carlos1981]

Had a pre-tournament £50 on Ronnie @ 8/1 and just stuck a saver on Robertson @ 4/1 because who ever gets through what should be an epic match will surely take the confidence and belief forward to win the whole tournament

[johnsusername]

the only two seeds playing each other in the q/f this Neil (6) and Ronnie (14), Ronnie played flawless snooker againts Mark Williams in the last 16 second session and if he keeps it up he will beat Neil comfortably i think, but Neil is a very strong player another close one i think 13-11 Ronnie head to head meetings Ronnie 7 Neil 4

So Ronnie's going to ''comfortably'' win 13-11??!

[Masterdoctorgenius]

neil already making the table picture awkard with his tactician play

[sklskl]

Ronnie will do it. 13-8

[Masterdoctorgenius]

neil is a mixture of williams potting and ebdons slow play

any1 agree

[sklskl]

Top right hand spin and the white ball goes in off. Should have seen that Ronnie.

[montoya10]

neil is a mixture of williams potting and ebdons slow play

any1 agree

He is Ebdon. Ebdon also has tremendous potting ability. One of his main strengths.

[Masterdoctorgenius]

ronnie playing careless saftey shots

without any real pressure

[Odrl]

Cracking start from Robertson, every ball going straight in the heart of the pocket.

And what about that safety reply to the baulk cushion behind the green? It's funny, O'Sullivan's demolition of Hendry in 2008 was an excellent display of one-visit snooker, but O'Sullivan also played some terrific safety in that match. Hendry had to play a containing safety shot to the black cushion on his first or second safety shot in pretty much every frame, and it more often than not ended with O'Sullivan in the balls. He could have used a shot or two like Robertson's just played in that match.

I think that's why John Higgins has such a good record against O'Sullivan, and Selby to some extent as well. They look for that shot that not only gets them out of trouble, but also turns the tables. If Robertson can play safety like that in this match, he will be incredibly tough to beat.

[Masterdoctorgenius]

think neil discoverd how to annoy ronnie

he plays the same type of snooker like selby does

[Where's Willie?]

Flawless opening frame from Neil. Great safety, three superb long pots and won the frame in one visit.

[Masterdoctorgenius]

ronnie missed this by mile

[breakman16]

Oh ohhh, Robertson in the balls again to bang a break in. . .

[sklskl]

Red's opened up nicely. Another great chance for Neil to take the second frame.

[Masterdoctorgenius]

what a commentator curse

come on ronnie

[sklskl]

What a shot by Ronnie. Don't think I've ever seen anything like that but when it's Ronnie you're not surprised.

[Masterdoctorgenius]

what a postiton on the black ball lol

[Masterdoctorgenius]

good stuff the first two frames

now neil knows that he cant afford to miss

he got punished with no mercy

[Odrl]

Excellent stuff from O'Sullivan, a bit lucky with that black perhaps, but just the kind of response he needed. Robertson will now be under pressure not to miss in the balls again. It will be interesting to see how he deals with it. :)

[nrage]

Great start! .. is it just me, or is Ronnie bobbing around on the shot worse than Selby does?! (it's obviously not affecting him tho :p)

[Masterdoctorgenius]

neil starting to miss some

[Masterdoctorgenius]

seriously neil is slower than ebdon lol

[Masterdoctorgenius]

ronnie now punishing every error from neil

but as soon as i type this he misses a tough brown

[Masterdoctorgenius]

ronnie what did u do

how on earth he wasnt on the black

[Masterdoctorgenius]

superb brown

wasnt a gimmie

2-1

neil clearly feeling the pressure now after missing his first pot in the 2nd frame and got punished

ronnie looks more comfortable of the two

[breakman16]

scrappy third frame, not that Ronnie will mind!

[daffie]

Neil huffing&puffing his way out of the arena...but well done overall, good lead for him.

[carlos1981]

Fantastic match. Awful commentary.

[montoya10]

I didn't find the session to be quite entertaining. It was rather dull. From the first shot, I knew that O'Sullivan won't be knocking the long ones that well and I knew Robertson would be even better at those than he was in his first two matches.
Neither player looks sharp and 2-2 is a fair result.

A bit disappointing quality of snooker for me, anyway.

[Masterdoctorgenius]

Neil huffing&puffing his way out of the arena...but well done overall, good lead for him.

which lead????

[montoya10]

Neil huffing&puffing his way out of the arena...but well done overall, good lead for him.

If I'm not wrong, you posted this way, way back this season in some other match. Sounds like deja vu.

[daffie]

which lead????

Whoops...got confused a bit at the end there :)

Btw...the kiss!! Endon's kiss just repeated...still a great moment. And nice to hear Ali comment on his play + support from Peter.

[daffie]

If I'm not wrong, you posted this way, way back this season in some other match. Sounds like deja vu.

I did? Ah well either deja vu or really starting to show my age ;) Luckily enough supporters to correct me if I slip...

Btw to clarify a bit...I find Neil's constant elaborate show of annoyance at a strange bounce of the cushion or a small distraction from the crowd...well, annoying to be honest. He needs to get on with it, and play like he did this afternoon.

[montoya10]

I did? Ah well either deja vu or really starting to show my age ;) Luckily enough supporters to correct me if I slip...

I'm not sure. I may well be making that one up :)

[Odrl]

I don't know, I think it's been fairly good so far. OK, O'Sullivan has missed a couple of tricky balls, something he wasn't doing against Williams, but it's nothing unusual at this stage of his career. Robertson has also missed a couple, but nothing too dramatic. I'm sure the standard will go up and down a few times as the match continues. :)

[daffie]

I'm not sure. I may well be making that one up :)

Being a bit naughty...are we :) Judd would be proud ;)

[Ronnie's tip]

Robertson starting to look good now whilst ROS hasn't settled. I fancy Neil to win a few on the trot now.

[armstm]

yes... it looks like ronnie's looked at the draw and is thinking - if i win this one - i win the title... he looks under pressure...

[montoya10]

I don't know, I think it's been fairly good so far. OK, O'Sullivan has missed a couple of tricky balls, something he wasn't doing against Williams, but it's nothing unusual at this stage of his career. Robertson has also missed a couple, but nothing too dramatic. I'm sure the standard will go up and down a few times as the match continues. :)

It lacks any sort of buzz. They're just playing as if this session is garbage and the real match is going to be started later on. Crowd is helping that also. No response to frame ball for Robertson at all, again.

[breakman16]

Great break Neil, the high break is tied btw, anyone betting on high break for the match is a void bet I think as of now!!

[montoya10]

Being a bit naughty...are we :) Judd would be proud ;)

:D
Don't know. Shot to nothing, perhaps!

[Ronnie's tip]

Neil got away with that, putting the black in the pack.

[Masterdoctorgenius]

what a break

terrific pots

[Masterdoctorgenius]

Robertson starting to look good now whilst ROS hasn't settled. I fancy Neil to win a few on the trot now.
u have been disappotined i think

[breakman16]

awww Ronnie, stop the exhibition shots for the century!! Great break, hard work that one!

[Masterdoctorgenius]

after a good long pot he misses a sitter

ronnie not punishing neil enoug

[montoya10]

Uninspiring snooker continues. Finally they'll put us out of this dreadful session with this final frame.

[Ronnie's tip]

4-3 is a deserved score so far. Ronnie hasn't fully settled. Commentator was right when he said ROS is getting in through Robertson making mistakes.

[montoya10]

Uninspiring snooker continues. Finally they'll put us out of this dreadful session with this final frame.

Or just me, let's say.

[breakman16]

how hard is robertson to beat? hope it goes 4 all, ronnie looks a bit under pressure this session, he's still in the match either way though. . .

[Ronnie's tip]

Robertson first in again with an awesome pot.


how hard is robertson to beat? hope it goes 4 all, ronnie looks a bit under pressure this session, he's still in the match either way though. . .

Players like Higgins, Robertson, Selby ect are O'Sullivan's biggest nightmare.

[Ronnie's tip]

Wow what a pot by Ronnie - his long range potting is as good as it's been since around 2004 IMO.

First time he's created a chance himself. Watch him make a mistake now...

[LittleMissAlexa]

what a pot from ronnie dismissive

[breakman16]

Oh my God, what can you do eh??? . . . shot of the championship over!!

[Ronnie's tip]

Exactly what I said - I told my sister he'd miss that, and he did.

41 ahead with 51 remaining, relatively simple red with the rest.

[Ronnie's tip]

Since ROS got a lucky position on the black (2nd frame?) Robertson has had a bit of the run - especially there. Should be frame over but he fluked a snooker.

Jesus Ronnie has just fluffed a simple blue - frame ball.

[breakman16]

I get a feeling sometimes too, not surprised at all!!

[Ronnie's tip]

Wow.....can't believe it! Robertson flukes ANOTHER snooker on what would be frame ball!

[Ronnie's tip]

5-3 to Robertson.

A combination of 2 ridiculous misses and 2 outrageous flukes by Robertson wins that frame. Early days, but if this ends up being a close finish, this could be the frame that we look back on.

[breakman16]

Wow great steal, champion's steal that one, what a finish!!

[montoya10]

It's completely O'Sullivan's mistake to be left in that position. He missed a sitter of a red, got back somehow, then missed another sitter of a blue, which was actually the frame ball. He did everything to throw away that one.
Anyway, final frame of the session was a little bit more enjoyable than the first seven. Hope the match gets better.

[Ronnie's tip]

What time do they start tommorow?

[breakman16]

It's completely O'Sullivan's mistake to be left in that position. He missed a sitter of a red, got back somehow, then missed another sitter of a blue, which was actually the frame ball. He did everything to throw away that one.
Anyway, final frame of the session was a little bit more enjoyable than the first seven. Hope the match gets better.

couldnt agree more, ronnie has no one to blame but himself, he ALLOWED the luck to come into play by missing twice, he needs to win the next session I think! This is another thing with Ronnie and his ranking, now he's in the bottom quarter (number 4) he has to play tomorrow afternoon and then the evening, that's usual for final quarter final, with a higher ranking he wouldn't be needing to do that

[Odrl]

Excellent session, and an excellent steal from Robertson in the final frame. Could be crucial, not just the two-frame advantage, but the early psychological blow as well.

Back-to-back sessions tomorrow... Not sure to who's advantage that is, perhaps Robertson's, as his powers of concentration are much greater that O'Sullivan's. Looking forward to the conclusion. :)

[brusque]

it was not a steal at all ... One has to work for stealing .. this was gift wrapped .. not once but twice ... Even I could have potted both those balls 100 out of 100 even if it was crucible pressure ... unforgivable .... simply UNF****GFORGIVABLE I say. Mental weakness???

I am a big time Ronnie fan but I do agree with someone here somewhere ... Ronnie is a bully but the moment he comes across a top player like Higgins, Selby, Robertson .. he just wilts under pressure .... I hope Robertson starts feeling the heat more than Ronnie in the closing stages ... otherwise Ronnie has no chance. 2011 Higgins B game would have been at least 6-2 considering the mistakes by Robertson that went unpunished. ?

[Ronnie's tip]

I don't think either player was great today - Robertson was clearly the better player though. Ronnie was so careless at times. I said the other day that he has been hitting the green/brown/yellow far too often from his safety's but Ebdon + Williams weren't good enough to punish him. Robertson will. Also Ronnie's break off shot is terrible. I'd say atleast 75% of the time he leaves a pot on for his opponent.

Robertson has won all of the tight frames so far, which is a bad sign. All of Ronnie's chances bar the last frame came after Neil missed first. He can't win like that, as he showed against Higgins

[montoya10]

Excellent session, and an excellent steal from Robertson in the final frame. Could be crucial, not just the two-frame advantage, but the early psychological blow as well.

Back-to-back sessions tomorrow... Not sure to who's advantage that is, perhaps Robertson's, as his powers of concentration are much greater that O'Sullivan's. Looking forward to the conclusion. :)

I think back-to-back sessions may end up not being a significant factor in this match. It all depends on the afternoon session, though. If Robertson can either keep or build on his lead, things will get tougher for O'Sullivan in the final session.
That said, O'Sullivan likes to play the evening sessions, so, he may stage a comeback even with a deficit.

[Masterdoctorgenius]

I think back-to-back sessions may end up not being a significant factor in this match. It all depends on the afternoon session, though. If Robertson can either keep or build on his lead, things will get tougher for O'Sullivan in the final session.
That said, O'Sullivan likes to play the evening sessions, so, he may stage a comeback even with a deficit.

only if he forgets the last frame very quickly, it has happen so often that one stolen frame had a huge impact like higginson -jones match

[montoya10]

I don't think either player was great today - Robertson was clearly the better player though. Ronnie was so careless at times. I said the other day that he has been hitting the green/brown/yellow far too often from his safety's but Ebdon + Williams weren't good enough to punish him. Robertson will. Also Ronnie's break off shot is terrible. I'd say atleast 75% of the time he leaves a pot on for his opponent.

Robertson has won all of the tight frames so far, which is a bad sign. All of Ronnie's chances bar the last frame came after Neil missed first. He can't win like that, as he showed against Higgins

In first round, he gave Ebdon quite a bit of chances out there. If Ebdon was on his game, things would have really been different. Against Williams, he gave away less chances and Williams was far from his best to make the most out of those. Also, when he got his own chances, he executed brilliantly.
But today, he wasn't flawless and Robertson was better at taking the chances being represented to him.

[Looki]

Expected result after the first session, if you ask me. I fancy Robertson to win it. It'll be close, probably.

[breakman16]

I don't think either player was great today - Robertson was clearly the better player though. Ronnie was so careless at times. I said the other day that he has been hitting the green/brown/yellow far too often from his safety's but Ebdon + Williams weren't good enough to punish him. Robertson will. Also Ronnie's break off shot is terrible. I'd say atleast 75% of the time he leaves a pot on for his opponent.

Robertson has won all of the tight frames so far, which is a bad sign. All of Ronnie's chances bar the last frame came after Neil missed first. He can't win like that, as he showed against Higgins

I don't know why players break like they do, SOOO many times they leave a shot to nothing or some other pot if they dont get it spot on, the break off shot is supposed to be a safety shot after all!

[Ronnie's tip]

In first round, he gave Ebdon quite a bit of chances out there. If Ebdon was on his game, things would have really been different. Against Williams, he gave away less chances and Williams was far from his best to make the most out of those. Also, when he got his own chances, he executed brilliantly.
But today, he wasn't flawless and Robertson was better at taking the chances being represented to him.

Ronnie has played 5 sessions so far, and only one of them were when he was 'great', creating his own chances, finishing them off - he was amazing. Every other session (including last night's 3 frames) he was gifted chances. That's why I don't buy him being the favorite.

I'm the biggest Ronnie fan in the world, but the hype he get's is ridiculous. He's still one of the best players in the world, but he can't beat Higgins, Robertson, Selby ect. He is a 'bully', in snooker terms. He was always going to beat Ebdon and Williams - this was his test. Robertson won't get tight so ROS will have to keep him off the table by creating his own chances, and taking them.

To be honest as a Ronnie fan, I feel a bit sick after that last frame.

[DamienB]

that long red ronnie pot in the last frame MY GOD ! share the feeling sick sentiment as well lol

[stephenm2682]

5-3 isn't to bad, but realistically ronnie should of been 3-1 at the interval, he had robertson under pressure but gifted him the fourth.

the first frame tomorrow will be important as usual, but today ronnie failed to win the first frame of both mini sessions.

[Cue_Seeker]

Neil is mad annoying, he sounds annoying, talks annoying, looks annoying. so go Ronnie!

[breakman16]

Neil is mad annoying, he sounds annoying, talks annoying, looks annoying. so go Ronnie!

lol it's the accent I know!!! lol u dont have to like everyone, just respect them for dedicating vast portions of their live's to snooker so they can get to the top, Neil I think will become a double world champion and then some other tournaments, you're watching one of the modern greats in my view, especially since he's developed a harder, match playing style of play!

[Cue_Seeker]

lol it's the accent I know!!! lol u dont have to like everyone, just respect them for dedicating vast portions of their live's to snooker so they can get to the top, Neil I think will become a double world champion and then some other tournaments, you're watching one of the modern greats in my view, especially since he's developed a harder, match playing style of play!

Nah mate, accent is just one thing. another is that I think he made some comments with the BBC commentators in the box after a match recently, that really annoyed me, don't remember who it was against, I think it was against Judd Trump, he was complaining that fans were cheering for him so much more for his shots. well, NO WONDER! Why would you complain that fans like someone else more? that is plain annoying like a cry baby.
Also did you see him with curly hair lol, I seriously rofl'ed when I saw, he had to go to salons to straighten his hair just so he doesn't look annoying to fans (and to himself!)

But seriously though, I think the style of Trump O'Sulllivan Hendry are way more enjoyable, and players like Hendry O'Sullivan Davis are those who really dedicated to snooker, players like Neil is just there for the money.

[Ronnie's tip]

lol it's the accent I know!!! lol u dont have to like everyone, just respect them for dedicating vast portions of their live's to snooker so they can get to the top, Neil I think will become a double world champion and then some other tournaments, you're watching one of the modern greats in my view, especially since he's developed a harder, match playing style of play!

Neil has the game to be more than a double world champion. He'll win it this year for a start and is only 30. He'll end up with 3 or 4 IMO.

[breakman16]

Nah mate, accent is just one thing. another is that I think he made some comments with the BBC commentators in the box after a match recently, that really annoyed me, don't remember who it was against, I think it was against Judd Trump, he was complaining that fans were cheering for him so much more for his shots. well, NO WONDER! Why would you complain that fans like someone else more? that is plain annoying like a cry baby.
Also did you see him with curly hair lol, I seriously rofl'ed when I saw, he had to go to salons to straighten his hair just so he doesn't look annoying to fans (and to himself!)

But seriously though, I think the style of Trump O'Sulllivan Hendry are way more enjoyable, and players like Hendry O'Sullivan Davis are those who really dedicated to snooker, players like Neil is just there for the money.

he is NOT just there for the money, I doubt there's a sportsman walking the earth who worked a large portion of their life to get the skills necessary to MAYBE make it to the top who's just doing it for the money, u know about Neil's sacrifices when he came over here with hardly any money? Surely you wouldn't put all the time in necessary to develop your game and hard matchplay to just be in it for the money? Perhaps he fancied straightening his hair, who cares if it looks annoying (how can someone with curly hair look annoying)? It depends when they're cheering too, sometimes, even at the Crucible, u get the odd over zealous "fan" who shouts out something loutish for a laugh so they get attention and hence feel good (very sad).

Plus it's Trump (in that case) so therefore he will have loud fans, although the ones I think that cheer him too loudly and are loutish are the ones who are so desparate to see him through as they have no other interest in the tournament once he goes out, the hardcore genuine snooker fan will watch virtually anyone!

[breakman16]

Neil has the game to be more than a double world champion. He'll win it this year for a start and is only 30. He'll end up with 3 or 4 IMO.

wouldnt surprise me, i was being cautious with that estimation, plus plenty of other titles, he'll win over 20 ranking events I think, which would put him top 5 just about??

[Masterdoctorgenius]

wouldnt surprise me, i was being cautious with that estimation, plus plenty of other titles, he'll win over 20 ranking events I think, which would put him top 5 just about??
everyone is entitled to have an opinion but i doubt that he will win over 20 events and 4 WC. he has now 6 Ranking titles in a space of 6 years. two WC is very possible but other than that will surprise me

many other players are also hungry like trump, selby, murphy, maguire, ding.

[Cue_Seeker]

he is NOT just there for the money, I doubt there's a sportsman walking the earth who worked a large portion of their life to get the skills necessary to MAYBE make it to the top who's just doing it for the money, u know about Neil's sacrifices when he came over here with hardly any money? Surely you wouldn't put all the time in necessary to develop your game and hard matchplay to just be in it for the money? Perhaps he fancied straightening his hair, who cares if it looks annoying (how can someone with curly hair look annoying)? It depends when they're cheering too, sometimes, even at the Crucible, u get the odd over zealous "fan" who shouts out something loutish for a laugh so they get attention and hence feel good (very sad).

Plus it's Trump (in that case) so therefore he will have loud fans, although the ones I think that cheer him too loudly and are loutish are the ones who are so desparate to see him through as they have no other interest in the tournament once he goes out, the hardcore genuine snooker fan will watch virtually anyone!

I meant no offence, Neil....fan, I was just saying. I don't disrespect him at all, there are just traits about him seem overly weird and annoying.

However I think something you said is very interesting. Presented to you the option to go to Harvard or Cambridge with high guarantee coming out making big money, or even better, taking over your family's billion-dollars corporation, or dedicate your life to snooker, which would you pick?

I don't deny that most top players have HIGH HIGH dedication for snooker, but there's always weighing between the opportunity cost and playing the game. And it's true that most of them would just work very normal or even below middle class jobs if not for playing snooker.

The point is, you cannot take their dedication as brave and selfless as you say, for Neil dedicating his life to snooker, against Steve Jobs dedicating only a year to snooker fully, how would you compare which is the bigger sacrifice? If Neil was in Steve Jobs' shoes, will he still make such selfless dedication to snooker, even for only a year?

:)

[breakman16]

I meant no offence, Neil....fan, I was just saying. I don't disrespect him at all, there are just traits about him seem overly weird and annoying.

However I think something you said is very interesting. Presented to you the option to go to Harvard or Cambridge with high guarantee coming out making big money, or even better, taking over your family's billion-dollars corporation, or dedicate your life to snooker, which would you pick?

I don't deny that most top players have HIGH HIGH dedication for snooker, but there's always weighing between the opportunity cost and playing the game. And it's true that most of them would just work very normal or even below middle class jobs if not for playing snooker.

The point is, you cannot take their dedication as brave and selfless as you say, for Neil dedicating his life to snooker, against Steve Jobs dedicating only a year to snooker fully, how would you compare which is the bigger sacrifice? If Neil was in Steve Jobs' shoes, will he still make such selfless dedication to snooker, even for only a year?

:)

it depends how badly you want success, are you an amateur who enjoys playing and wants a good quality match, or are you a pro who's battle hardened who loves to win and wants to practice 5 hours a day, THAT's why they should be respected, there are many good amateurs all over the country, but there arent loads of top 50 ability pros! Some players may need to dedicate themselves for years to make it, people like Ronnie and Judd seem to be able to find progress easier

[Cue_Seeker]

it depends how badly you want success, are you an amateur who enjoys playing and wants a good quality match, or are you a pro who's battle hardened who loves to win and wants to practice 5 hours a day, THAT's why they should be respected, there are many good amateurs all over the country, but there arent loads of top 50 ability pros! Some players may need to dedicate themselves for years to make it, people like Ronnie and Judd seem to be able to find progress easier

That doesn't answer anything I questioned. Are you still trying to say under any circumstances neil would be equally dedicated?

You are reciting everything i have questioned instead, my question was under different circumstances people would have different weight on opportunity costs.

I just said I don't disrespect Neil, I don't know why you brought up respect again.

[Masterdoctorgenius]

any1 predictions for tomorrow

will the one frame make the difference like in the other two matches and start the self destruction mode of ronnie.

or will he show his champions skills and overcome todays emotion

[breakman16]

That doesn't answer anything I questioned. Are you still trying to say under any circumstances neil would be equally dedicated?

You are reciting everything i have questioned instead, my question was under different circumstances people would have different weight on opportunity costs.

I just said I don't disrespect Neil, I don't know why you brought up respect again.

Yeah they would, but when you've took the plunge like Maguire having a room knocked through and a table built for him by his granddad, for example, and Neil moving over here, specifically to improve his snooker as far as I know, then you HAVE to be dedicated to make it worth your while investing the time and money to try and change your life, pro sport is all about sacrifices, I don't think any sports person at top level hasnt made lots of sacrifices to get to the top!

[breakman16]

any1 predictions for tomorrow

will the one frame make the difference like in the other two matches and start the self destruction mode of ronnie.

or will he show his champions skills and overcome todays emotion

I'll predict 8 all into tomorrow's final session, Ronnie to come back a bit!

[Cue_Seeker]

Yeah they would, but when you've took the plunge like Maguire having a room knocked through and a table built for him by his granddad, for example, and Neil moving over here, specifically to improve his snooker as far as I know, then you HAVE to be dedicated to make it worth your while investing the time and money to try and change your life, pro sport is all about sacrifices, I don't think any sports person at top level hasnt made lots of sacrifices to get to the top!

Okay, you know what I think? Steve Jobs make billions a year, and I doubt any pros would give away billions-of-dollars-a-year-opportunity for snooker.
So, indeed you are assuming that these pros will make equally selfless dedications under ANY situations. But keep in mind, most of these pros probably based on their decision giving up only a a few 10,000 dollars a year because their opportunity costs are low, because that's how much they would earn anyway if they were to do something else, many of these decisions were based on snooker generates a greater return and satisfaction for them. But the satisfaction only go so far when compared to monetary means.

obviously you fail to think in terms of economics.

What do you think Neil would've done in Australia if he didn't come here for snooker? probably low-end jobs, this is finding a way out for himself, there's hardwork but 5 hours of snooker a day is nothing compared to 10 hours of hard labour a day, 10 hours of snooker a day is nothing compared to 10 hours of hard labour a day. there's hard work but otherwise he would've had a worse life. This is NOT mindless passion as we all had when we were kids. This is different, I am helping you to see that.

Many pro players go bankrupt very soon after they retire, why? because they do not have other assets or skills to make money and they still spend equally as much as when they were making millions. It is not all about sacrifice that they play the sport. Opportunity cost has a greater influence than passion alone.

[P.Smith]

Neil better win this now, all my other favourites have gone out.

[Ronnie's tip]

any1 predictions for tomorrow

will the one frame make the difference like in the other two matches and start the self destruction mode of ronnie.

or will he show his champions skills and overcome todays emotion

Fancy 10-6 to Robertson going into the final session. Ronnie will claw a few frames late on but he'll lose 13-10/11.

[Table_of_Reds]

O'Sullivan is useless against anyone in the top 7 or so in the world (Williams the exception that proves the rule). As a top level snooker player he's finished, and he has been for several years now, he's a glorified version of the Hendry of the past few years. He can beat the little guys around, the chokers, the has-beens and never-will-bes... but when someone who really is top class (real top class that is, not overhyped to infinity like him) and not a choker e.g. Higgins, Selby, Robertson, Trump, Allen he gets found out to be the mediocre, bottleless player he is.

Maybe he can put in a half decent show, pull of a century or two to make the morons in the commentary box spunk a few times and give the cretins in the audience a reason to shout "come on Ronnie!", but as long as Robertson plays at least half decent like he did today he'll cruise through.

[breakman16]

Okay, you know what I think? Steve Jobs make billions a year, and I doubt any pros would give away billions-of-dollars-a-year-opportunity for snooker.
So, indeed you are assuming that these pros will make equally selfless dedications under ANY situations. But keep in mind, most of these pros probably based on their decision giving up only a a few 10,000 dollars a year because their opportunity costs are low, because that's how much they would earn anyway if they were to do something else, many of these decisions were based on snooker generates a greater return and satisfaction for them. But the satisfaction only go so far when compared to monetary means.

obviously you fail to think in terms of economics.

What do you think Neil would've done in Australia if he didn't come here for snooker? probably low-end jobs, this is finding a way out for himself, there's hardwork but 5 hours of snooker a day is nothing compared to 10 hours of hard labour a day, 10 hours of snooker a day is nothing compared to 10 hours of hard labour a day. there's hard work but otherwise he would've had a worse life. This is NOT mindless passion as we all had when we were kids. This is different, I am helping you to see that.

Many pro players go bankrupt very soon after they retire, why? because they do not have other assets or skills to make money and they still spend equally as much as when they were making millions. It is not all about sacrifice that they play the sport. Opportunity cost has a greater influence than passion alone.

In snooker there are money opportunities but only at th top of the game, everyone else has to scrape a living while likely having a job, those outside the top 50 I doubt make a living from the game, if it was all about economics then there would never be billiards or squash pros, for example. If you think about it there aren't many sports that you can make any sort of quality income from, the passion must be there to do the best you can, and if you make money along the way then so be it, all snooker pros should aspire to be the absolute best they can and in the top 32 cases they make some sort of income from the game, plus Steve Jobs revolutionised an industry almost, and if anyone made that much money that they didnt need it all then its great for their public relations to give it away, win win for them!

[Masterdoctorgenius]

O'Sullivan is useless against anyone in the top 7 or so in the world (Williams the exception that proves the rule). As a top level snooker player he's finished, and he has been for several years now, he's a glorified version of the Hendry of the past few years. He can beat the little guys around, the chokers, the has-beens and never-will-bes... but when someone who really is top class (real top class that is, not overhyped to infinity like him) and not a choker e.g. Higgins, Selby, Robertson, Trump, Allen he gets found out to be the mediocre, bottleless player he is.

Maybe he can put in a half decent show, pull of a century or two to make the morons in the commentary box spunk a few times and give the cretins in the audience a reason to shout "come on Ronnie!", but as long as Robertson plays at least half decent like he did today he'll cruise through.

did u notice how much **** u typed, without any knowledge of the game

[Cue_Seeker]

In snooker there are money opportunities but only at th top of the game, everyone else has to scrape a living while likely having a job, those outside the top 50 I doubt make a living from the game, if it was all about economics then there would never be billiards or squash pros, for example. If you think about it there aren't many sports that you can make any sort of quality income from, the passion must be there to do the best you can, and if you make money along the way then so be it, all snooker pros should aspire to be the absolute best they can and in the top 32 cases they make some sort of income from the game, plus Steve Jobs revolutionised an industry almost, and if anyone made that much money that they didnt need it all then its great for their public relations to give it away, win win for them!

you said if it's all economics, there won't be billiard or snooker pros.
it is EXACTLY economics at work that these pros give up other things to fight for a chance of glory/utility and money! Honestly, you are just repeating everything.... sorry mate this is as simple as I can bring it to you, I never knew such simple economics can be that hard to understand.
Anyway, I will end it here and back to the topic guys!

[Masterdoctorgenius]

hendry retired sad day

best player of all time
but came at the wrong time

for ronnie it must be a shock, now focous is double difficult

[breakman16]

you said if it's all economics, there won't be billiard or snooker pros.
it is EXACTLY economics at work that these pros give up other things to fight for a chance of glory/utility and money! Honestly, you are just repeating everything.... sorry mate this is as simple as I can bring it to you, I never knew such simple economics can be that hard to understand.
Anyway, I will end it here and back to the topic guys!

i KNOW they do, that's what being a pro sportsman is, does anyone seriously think that any pro sportsman was out clubbing and having lots of fun with their mates while developing their skills? No they would have been practicing, at least if they were top of their sport, I thought you were trying to make another point? Sorry if I misunderstood you! I can see a Ronnie comeback tomorrow to level into the final session myself!

[breakman16]

O'Sullivan is useless against anyone in the top 7 or so in the world (Williams the exception that proves the rule). As a top level snooker player he's finished, and he has been for several years now, he's a glorified version of the Hendry of the past few years. He can beat the little guys around, the chokers, the has-beens and never-will-bes... but when someone who really is top class (real top class that is, not overhyped to infinity like him) and not a choker e.g. Higgins, Selby, Robertson, Trump, Allen he gets found out to be the mediocre, bottleless player he is.

Maybe he can put in a half decent show, pull of a century or two to make the morons in the commentary box spunk a few times and give the cretins in the audience a reason to shout "come on Ronnie!", but as long as Robertson plays at least half decent like he did today he'll cruise through.

you call an UNDER ACHIEVER but still one of the greatest players of all time a bottler? He's won nearly 30 ranking titles, the vast majority of people dont win 10 in a career, a lot done even win more than 1! You have NOTHING to back that statement up, most players would give their limbs to have Ronnie's talent!

[stevebyl]

would like to see ronnie go through but something tells me robertson is going to edge it!

[doorag]

you call an UNDER ACHIEVER but still one of the greatest players of all time a bottler? He's won nearly 30 ranking titles, the vast majority of people dont win 10 in a career, a lot done even win more than 1! You have NOTHING to back that statement up, most players would give their limbs to have Ronnie's talent!

You've just been trolled :/

[Odrl]

any1 predictions for tomorrow

will the one frame make the difference like in the other two matches and start the self destruction mode of ronnie.

or will he show his champions skills and overcome todays emotion

I don't think O'Sullivan will crack because of one frame, he has too much experience for something like that to completely overwhelm him, unlike Higginson or Day for example.

But I'm still sticking with my initial prediction... Robertson is just an awkward player to beat at the moment, and when the pressure really comes on, I fancy him to be a frame or two stronger.

Looking forward to finding out... :)

[breakman16]

You've just been trolled :/

I'll have to look up what that means, he's talking rubbish and for insulting one of the greatest of all time, that was virtually slander, I can't make a 20 break but I realise the immense skill it takes to play snooker at pro level, if he really believes that then that person doesnt belong here

[davisskeggsm]

Got money on Neil to win the whole compotition :D

Matt

[montoya10]

I'll have to look up what that means, he's talking rubbish and for insulting one of the greatest of all time, that was virtually slander, I can't make a 20 break but I realise the immense skill it takes to play snooker at pro level, if he really believes that then that person doesnt belong here

Funny thing is with all talk about players giving problems to Ronnie (John, Selby, Robertson), he has the edge in their head-to-head records against all of them.

[sunny3909]

I believe Stephen Maguire dominates in head to head with Robertson so even if Robertson wins this match and semi he may have to face Maguire in final.

[bobby1979]

Got money on Neil to win the whole compotition :D

Matt

Ha. I did at 8s. But Ronnie has been playin out of his skin. Thank God I'm off tomorrow to watch this match *drools*....I have been backing Rocket all season and when I don't back him he starts to play like he did ten years ago. it must be the haircut - he even looks ten years younger! :D

[grimreaper]

Will be a close game Robbo just .

[Vex 147]

Ronnie hasn't had a good chance to win the worlds like this in years so it's all in his hands now. If he beats Robertson it's 100% sure that he will have his 4th world title which means that i'm going to get drunk that night and possibly fire a couple rockets from my balcony that i have left from new years eve party ;)

[Masterdoctorgenius]

COME ON RONNIE

U CAN ONLY PLAY BETTER from now on

[nrage]

I believe Stephen Maguire dominates in head to head with Robertson so even if Robertson wins this match and semi he may have to face Maguire in final.

I think Robertson is playing better snooker at the minute, but only just .. Maguire is playing very well.

[ace man]

Ronnie hasn't had a good chance to win the worlds like this in years so it's all in his hands now. If he beats Robertson it's 100% sure that he will have his 4th world title which means that i'm going to get drunk that night and possibly fire a couple rockets from my balcony that i have left from new years eve party ;)

But last year he also had a great chance...he was 3 frames up on Higgins in the quarters. Had he won that I think he would have had 4th championship title. I very much doubt either Williams or Trump would have beaten him.
This year it is the same. Quarter final decides the eventual winner.

[vmax4steve]

O'Sullivan is useless against anyone in the top 7 or so in the world (Williams the exception that proves the rule). As a top level snooker player he's finished, and he has been for several years now, he's a glorified version of the Hendry of the past few years. He can beat the little guys around, the chokers, the has-beens and never-will-bes... but when someone who really is top class (real top class that is, not overhyped to infinity like him) and not a choker e.g. Higgins, Selby, Robertson, Trump, Allen he gets found out to be the mediocre, bottleless player he is.

Maybe he can put in a half decent show, pull of a century or two to make the morons in the commentary box spunk a few times and give the cretins in the audience a reason to shout "come on Ronnie!", but as long as Robertson plays at least half decent like he did today he'll cruise through.

Jealousy is the green eyed monster !!

[st_hendry]

when will they play again?

[Masterdoctorgenius]

in 20 mintues

[doorag]

when will they play again?

Officially it starts in twenty minutes.

[Masterdoctorgenius]

ronnie will lead 10-6 after this session.Period

[P.Smith]

ronnie will lead 10-6 after this session.Period

I'll quote you on this and post it again when it doesn't happen.

I think it will be 8-8.

[Ronnie's tip]

God I'm so nervous here. This is Ronnie's final chance for a WC IMO. Please god let Ronnie win. He's lost in the 1/4 final the last 2 years, and I think both times he went into the final session with a lead.

Robertson will win this unfortunately - he's too complete for O'Sullivan.

[Masterdoctorgenius]

hendry was out i thought, but antoehr entrance

joking

[Masterdoctorgenius]

God I'm so nervous here. This is Ronnie's final chance for a WC IMO. Please god let Ronnie win. He's lost in the 1/4 final the last 2 years, and I think both times he went into the final session with a lead.

Robertson will win this unfortunately - he's too complete for O'Sullivan.

dont think it is his final chance

but the best he can get this year

[SnookerFan]

I'm really nervous. I want Neil Robertson to win this. But Ronnie has looked much better in the last few months. I'd kill for another 5-3 session from Neil, to give himself a bit of a cushion in the evening. But that's unlikely, I can see Ronnie firing into action in the second session.

If this match was 4-4, Ronnie would win the match, no doubt about it. I still say Robertson needs a strong start. Hopefully, he can take the first frame. If Ronnie makes a strong start, I can still see him being hard to live with.

[Ronnie's tip]

dont think it is his final chance

but the best he can get this year

I do. He's obviously not going to get better, and this year Higgins, Selby and Trump are all out. I don't think he'd beat them anymore in a big match. Yesterday he actually played quite poor - made so many mistakes.

That last frame still makes me feel sick.

I think we'll see another 5-3 to Robertson here. 10-6 overall.

[Masterdoctorgenius]

why they didnt put the other table back

[P.Smith]

why they didnt put the other table back

Because they would just have to get it back out again at 7.

[Masterdoctorgenius]

come on ronnie

give neil not able time

good long pot

[Masterdoctorgenius]

4-5

just the start ronnie needed

neil hasnt enough table time so far

[Masterdoctorgenius]

ronnie again amongst the balls after a long red which neil left

[Masterdoctorgenius]

ronnie on real fire

[daffie]

ronnie on real fire

What's this...running commentary? Thanks, but I'll stick with TG and JV ;)

[Masterdoctorgenius]

5-5

ronnie unstoppable atm
so quick and no deficit anymore

neil under real pressure now

[cueman]

GENIUS! People giving Hendry all the plaudits today but when Ronnie turns it on he'd blast anyone who has ever played the game off the table, even all the other pros admit that! Just a shame he's never had the mental strength or desire to win like Hendry did.

[Masterdoctorgenius]

waiscoat foul from neil
boah

[cueman]

Robertson looking very edgy. Great blue followed by a dolly red which he twitched just like Hendry's pink against Maguire.

[Capelito]

Neil is really throwing this away now..

[brusque]

there we go again ... Ronnie in cruise control .... terrible shot selection by him to gift Neil a great opportunity but Robbo bottled it ... that is the thing .. keep robbo off the table .... n please ronnie no more gifts!!!

[Masterdoctorgenius]

6-5 the rocket yeah

neil cant cope with the pressure of ronnies play atm

[nrage]

Neil is really throwing this away now..

Too soon for a statement like that IMO. Neil hasn't had a lot of table time. Ronnie gifted him an easy starter and he made a mess of that chance. He just needs to forget it and look for his next, and make the most of it. I hope he takes the next frame, that will make the match far better IMO.

[Masterdoctorgenius]

another chance for the rocket

[SnookerFan]

See, I knew this was going to happen. Ronnie always comes on strong in second sessions, if the first was close.

I can see this going 8-0 now. Robbo's chances are decreasing by the second.

[daffie]

Scary the way he completely bulldozers an opponent! Tony Montana scary :)

[SnookerFan]

Scary the way he completely bulldozers an opponent! Tony Montana scary :)

I had to google who that was.

I'm not the most with it person. :D

[brusque]

there we go again .. another gift .. that is why Higgins is way ahead of Ronnie in terms of matchplay :(

[cueman]

See, I knew this was going to happen. Ronnie always comes on strong in second sessions, if the first was close.

I can see this going 8-0 now. Robbo's chances are decreasing by the second.

Way to early to be predicting that. Think the interval has come at a good time here, Robertson will try and make the frames scrappier as I think that is the only way you stop Ronnie in this type of form.

[daffie]

I had to google who that was.

I'm not the most with it person. :D

Huh? :confused: btw you really didn't know Tony Montana ? Wow!

Anyway...I have always seen the comparison, manner-wise that is. Ronnie has a touch of Tony :)

On with the match...getting scrappier now...I like that in a way. Must have tense and close matches...

[SnookerFan]

Way to early to be predicting that. Think the interval has come at a good time here, Robertson will try and make the frames scrappier as I think that is the only way you stop Ronnie in this type of form.

I'm just really tense. I'm 'working' today, so not watching the game.

Instead of doing any real work, I'm following the game on twitter and the snooker websites. I'd give my left bollock for a Robertson win.

[SnookerFan]

Huh? :confused:

Anyway...I have always seen the comparison, manner-wise that is. Ronnie has a touch of Tony :)

On with the match...getting scrappier now...I like that in a way. Must have tense and close matches...

I didn't know who Tony Montana was.

[daffie]

I didn't know who Tony Montana was.

Surprised at that...no disrespect of course...just surprised :)

[Masterdoctorgenius]

there we go again .. another gift .. that is why Higgins is way ahead of Ronnie in terms of matchplay :(
but he won all the 4 frame because he put neil under immense pressure

and higgins is already out

[montoya10]

Robertson doing everything not to win a frame. Wow.
I missed the first two frames, was it phenomenal O'Sullivan?

[svendh]

who has put the new tip on ronnie's cue?

[daffie]

Robertson doing everything not to win a frame. Wow.
I missed the first two frames, was it phenomenal O'Sullivan?

Pretty much yeah. Just bulldozered Neil...he was shell-shocked more than anything it seems.

[Masterdoctorgenius]

Robertson doing everything not to win a frame. Wow.
I missed the first two frames, was it phenomenal O'Sullivan?
vintage ronnie was that

[cueman]

who has put the new tip on ronnie's cue?

Ex professional from the 80's Les Dodd.

[montoya10]

Pretty much yeah. Just bulldozered Neil...he was shell-shocked more than anything it seems.

So, all Robertson's mental strength, steely matchplay, etc. vaporized with two good frames, huh?
Never expected such a meltdown.

[Ronnie's tip]

First two frames was awesome Ronnie. Last two, both players were shocking. Both players missed so often.

Robertson is on the practice table atm. The fact that ROS isn't on the practice table worries me a bit because he was just as bad as Robertson in that last frame in particular.

I said I thought Robertson would win this session 5-3 but obviously that can't happen. I reckon Robertson will turn things around now and win 3 of the next 4 because he's getting the chances and I don't think he'll bottle anything. Ronnie will though.

On a different note, this pub quiz is shocking.

[SnookerFan]

Question. For those of us who are 'at work', and not watching the game? How likely is it that Robertson will win any of the remaining four frames? From the reaction on twitter, it doesn't sound likely at all.

[doorag]

First two frames was awesome Ronnie. Last two, both players were shocking. Both players missed so often.

Robertson is on the practice table atm. The fact that ROS isn't on the practice table worries me a bit because he was just as bad as Robertson in that last frame in particular.

I said I thought Robertson would win this session 5-3 but obviously that can't happen. I reckon Robertson will turn things around now and win 3 of the next 4 because he's getting the chances and I don't think he'll bottle anything. Ronnie will though.

On a different note, this pub quiz is shocking.

You're trying your hardest not to jinx Ron arent you? :D

[cally]

Hard to say really but ron is on fire...:)

Lets hope robbo don't win any of the remaining frames in this sesh eh...;)

[Masterdoctorgenius]

First two frames was awesome Ronnie. Last two, both players were shocking. Both players missed so often.

Robertson is on the practice table atm. The fact that ROS isn't on the practice table worries me a bit because he was just as bad as Robertson in that last frame in particular.

I said I thought Robertson would win this session 5-3 but obviously that can't happen. I reckon Robertson will turn things around now and win 3 of the next 4 because he's getting the chances and I don't think he'll bottle anything. Ronnie will though.

On a different note, this pub quiz is shocking.

ronnie took on shots he shouldnt because he was aware that wouldnt get punished, he would have never done this if it was close
neil under real pressure. 10-6 for ronnie

[daffie]

...

On a different note, this pub quiz is shocking.

At one point I was laughing so loud I had tears streaming down my eyes...it was bordering on downright mutiny with everyone standing up and shouting at eachother...today was funny :) in general I agree though, this snooker loopy ditty is rather dull especially compared to ditties of other years.

[doorag]

Question. For those of us who are 'at work', and not watching the game? How likely is it that Robertson will win any of the remaining four frames? From the reaction on twitter, it doesn't sound likely at all.

I wouldnt be surprised if they play 2-2. Neil has had his chances and sooner or later he'll grab one.

[daffie]

So, all Robertson's mental strength, steely matchplay, etc. vaporized with two good frames, huh?
Never expected such a meltdown.

Ah it's just the first half of the 2nd session. Might be telling for the rest, but hopefully Neil can get back into it.

Btw turn those damn phones off!!!

[Ronnie's tip]

Ronnie's started this mini session like he finished the last.

[tawaterski]

THese 2 guys will be crushed by Maguire anyway.

[SnookerFan]

THese 2 guys will be crushed by Maguire anyway.

Doesn't sound like Ronnie will be, not the way he's playing.

[Masterdoctorgenius]

ronnie very careless

what is he doing, he will get punished sooner rather than later

[Masterdoctorgenius]

8-5

well focussed

[tawaterski]

11-5? 8 in a row? is it possible?

[montoya10]

Doesn't sound like Ronnie will be, not the way he's playing.

Are we watching the same match? He played pretty poor in what I have seen so far, the last 3 frames namely.

[LittleMissAlexa]

Ronnie is doing what he did against Williams this is why the middle session is the important one

[Odrl]

Oh dear... I didn't expect Robertson to play this poorly today. He could lose the match in this session if he doesn't win at least two frames now.

[SnookerFan]

11-5? 8 in a row? is it possible?

I'd say probable.

The real question is, how possible is it that Robertson wins a frame/comes out of this at 8-8?

[Masterdoctorgenius]

Are we watching the same match? He played pretty poor in what I have seen so far, the last 3 frames namely.
shouldnt have to play flawless because neil isnt punishing ihm
depends on the opponents form

[SnookerFan]

Ex professional from the 80's Les Dodd.

By the sound of it, we have another Dodd stood in for Robertson. Ken Dodd.

[daffie]

Neil really needs to win 2 out of 3 now in this session to make a chance this evening...

[daffie]

By the sound of it, we have another Dodd stood in for Robertson. Ken Dodd.

Time for me to look something up...1st hit on Google...Ken Dodd the comedian?

[montoya10]

shouldnt have to play flawless because neil isnt punishing ihm
depends on the opponents form

So, he is making mistakes because he doesn't get punished?
I think his level dropped in the last couple of frames to a lower level, lesser focus.

[attilahun]

Indeed but i think its more because of Neil.

[brusque]

Ronnie trying his utmost to let Robbo back in ... this might come to haunt him later ... he needs to make hay while the sun is out

[tawaterski]

Look like Neil just lost his wallet...poor boy...

[SnookerFan]

Time for me to look something up...1st hit on Google...Ken Dodd the comedian?

Yes. Don't bother watching anything, he wasn't that funny.

[attilahun]

As the eurosport commentator said...worrying for Neil is that Ronnie is not playing very good and hes still winning frame after frame.

[daffie]

This isn't even funny anymore...I hate these types of runaway matches. Matches need to be close! Common Neil...take the remaining 2 frames please.

[LittleMissAlexa]

checking out of his hotel me thinks

[montoya10]

You know you're in trouble when you let a sub-par Ronnie O'Sullivan take a frame with fragmented scoring.

[daffie]

checking out of his hotel me thinks

What...again? :) Good sign I'm sure...

[brusque]

have never seen Robbo play THIS bad in the past 2-3 years ... Even Carter or Maguire would have done better in this session.

[Guy3103]

It does look like his about to become world champion seeing play mediocre and still win so easily... too bad Hendry decided to retire just I guessed him making it to the very end, but still a O'Sullivan vs. Maguire Final should be great and more importantly close!

[daffie]

It does look like his about to become world champion seeing play mediocre and still win so easily... too bad Hendry decided to retire just I guessed him making it to the very end, but still a O'Sullivan vs. Maguire Final should be great and more importantly close!

Yeah, I'm hoping for a Robertson/O'Sullivan - Maguire final as well. Too bad really Jones and Carter are in the same half. Would have liked to have seen one of those against Maguire in the final.

[tawaterski]

Jones, Carter, those nonames....nightmare if they got to final as the organization will cry all night, no one will watch

[daffie]

Jones, Carter, those nonames....nightmare if they got to final as the organization will cry all night, no one will watch

Wrong! I would be watching ;)

Seriously though...both very entertaining players to watch imo. Can't go wrong with any of them in the final. They are both very, very hungry!!!

And btw...couldn't give a toss about 'the organization'

[attilahun]

Neil walked around the table for 40 sec or so before playing a pretty easy blue.....

[daffie]

Neil walked around the table for 40 sec or so before playing a pretty easy blue.....

All within limits, I have to agree with the tactics...anything to slow ROS down a bit. But....NOT at the cost of your own play!

[tawaterski]

Neil will choke this frame again...his positioning not good

[daffie]

Neil completely not at the races today! Hopefully he'll be able to pick himself up in tonight's session. Hopefully it's not too late for a close finish, but I'm afraid it might be.

[attilahun]

All within limits, I have to agree with the tactics...anything to slow ROS down a bit. But....NOT at the cost of your own play!

Agree.... seems these days only Trump can beat Ronnie playing attacking snooker...but to start with Ebdon antics in a World Qf when you are world nr. 7 it too much IMO

[daffie]

Agree.... seems these days only Trump can beat Ronnie playing attacking snooker...but to start with Ebdon antics in a World Qf when you are world nr. 7 it too much IMO

Ah but that's why they call it tactics :) Again within limits, I'm fine with it.

[tawaterski]

looks like 2 clowns.... my concern the audience will soon ask for refund

[Ronnie's tip]

This frame could change the match....the run of the ball has completely changed. Whenever Robertson has missed he's usually left ROS with nothing whilst Ronnie has been the opposite. Before then Robertson was having a lot of unlucky kisses.

Both players are looking poor atm though - Ronnie the worse of the two, because Robertson is about to win this frame with a decent break. Fancy Robertson to take the next one too.

The overall standard of this match has been shocking though. So many 20-30 breaks followed by a miss.

[brusque]

looks like somehow selby's text got through to Robbo before the last 2 frames of this session. ;)

[montoya10]

Jones, Carter, those nonames....nightmare if they got to final as the organization will cry all night, no one will watch

Not that I expect them to get past Maguire, but they've played excellent snooker throughout the tournament.

[Masterdoctorgenius]

so my prediton was 10-6

wont be or will it be

[gazza147]

Ronnie was different Class early on today and Stepped on the Gas when Needed and I think Ronnie has done enough now with that Lead. If Ronnie wins last frame and Goes 10-6 then I think Robertson has missed the Boat and Ronnie will win Quite easy.

Ronnie only puts his Foot down I think when Needed and if if he Put foot down all the Time he would be Murdering his Oponents as Hendry, Parrot, Doherty said Ronnies all round Game is Unreal Potting/Positioning/Saftey etc and I agree.

[Ronnie's tip]

Seriously Ronnie....what the hell are you doing out there?

[montoya10]

The overall standard of this match has been shocking though. So many 20-30 breaks followed by a miss.

Awful session. Even worse than the first. People say that Maguire got his break building through Hendry's mistakes, but at least, he made the most of them. These two, however, were awful at taking their chances.

[Masterdoctorgenius]

if neil wins this frame he will feel like he won the session and gain confidence for the evening session
this frame decides the match in a way

[Ronnie's tip]

if neil wins this frame he will feel like he won the session and gain confidence for the evening session
this frame decides the match in a way
Agreed.

Ronnie is a complete idiot, and it's shots like the one on the brown which is why he won't win many more titles, unlike Higgins.

I wonder aswell if Ronnie's glandular fever will step in tonight as he won't have any opportunity to rest.

[brusque]

I hope Ronnie does not have to pay later tonight for that shot on the brown.

[Odrl]

Don't have the time to read through today's discussion, but has anyone else noticed this session has taken almost the same pattern to O'Sullivan's match with Selby two years ago? Selby also battled to limit his losses in the last couple of frames, then really pushed on in the evening and prevailed when the pressure was on.

I think there is every chance something similar happens tonight, although Robertson has certainly struggled more than expected, so he only has an hour to rediscover his form now. But I also think O'Sullivan is better prepared for a possible comeback this time. Should be a cracking final session! :)

[daffie]

So we have two 9-7 final sessions this evening...could be two very interesting and close finishes, hopefully late ones as well :)

[montoya10]

Anything remotely close to a decent performance would have caused an 11-5 lead.
At the moment, there is no reason for Stevens to fear any of these two, let it be for Maguire.

[Masterdoctorgenius]

not only the match against selby but also the matches agains allen(2009) and higgins (2011) he was well poised but for a reason cracked under the pressure

surely robertson cant play anything worse than that like higgins got out in the second session 8-8 after being 5-8 down and playing bad. ronnie paid for the carelessnees in the evening session.

he is a good pressure player and can gear up if needed like against murphy last year after missing two golden chances to win only to make a good steal in the next frame.

but against certain player such as higgins and selby he misses shots he wouldnt normally.

[Ronnie's tip]

Don't have the time to read through today's discussion, but has anyone else noticed this session has taken almost the same pattern to O'Sullivan's match with Selby two years ago? Selby also battled to limit his losses in the last couple of frames, then really pushed on in the evening and prevailed when the pressure was on.

I think there is every chance something similar happens tonight, although Robertson has certainly struggled more than expected, so he only has an hour to rediscover his form now. But I also think O'Sullivan is better prepared for a possible comeback this time. Should be a cracking final session! :)

Similar to Higgins/O'Sullivan last year. I think Ronnie had a 2 frame advantage at one point, but it should have been a 4 or 5 frame lead. In the end Higgins came back and won.

Coincidence? I don't think so. The last two years Ronnie has lost in the 1/4 finals due to a poor performance in the final session. Last year it was 9-9 and Ronnie ended up losing 13-10 I think. edit: actually, ROS was winning 8-5 apparently at one point.

Against Mark Selby, Ronnie was 9-5 up and ended up losing 13-11.

[Masterdoctorgenius]

quite match ups didnt suit ronnie like selby, higgins

still fancy him against neil if he puts the needed effort in.
win the first mini session ideall 4-0 or 3-1

[Ronnie's tip]

I noticed that in that session, Ronnie gave up when needing 2 snookers on 2 different occasions. Normally in this tournament he's been coming back to the table in that situation. I think Robertson slowing down the match definitely affected Ronnie.

First frame tonight is obviously massive. 10-7 or 9-8.

[doorag]

Before the session started I wouldnt have dreamed ROS end up being 9-7 in front and I dont think he would have either.

New session tonight, new circumstances. Wouldnt be surprised if we got quality snooker tonight after a bit of a sloppy session. Ron edges it 13-11 is my guess.

[Ronnie's tip]

My original prediction was 13-11 to Robertson. I'm sticking with that.

[Masterdoctorgenius]

i say 13-8 ronnie

[jw147]

Robertson slowed the match down bigtime in last 2 frames, fingers crossed ronnie can get through to the 1 table set up, i wana watch more snooker over the weekend....wont be watching any more of the event if he goes out.

[LittleMissAlexa]

quite match ups didnt suit ronnie like selby, higgins

still fancy him against neil if he puts the needed effort in.
win the first mini session ideall 4-0 or 3-1

4-0 isnt a mini session will be the whole session

[montoya10]

Robertson not looking good enough to win. But O'Sullivan may dig even deeper than him.

Hopefully Ronnie doesn't look like he cares more about the end of the match coming rather than the result.