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    Hi,
    I am having a problem with my talisman soft. When I put this tip on my cue, I find that I can play remarkably well especially that I used a lot of side when playing, probably the best I've ever played. After a few days, retiming back to the game I find that the tip has flattened since it is soft and requires a bit of reshaping. But I can never get the feel of that if the first time I played with it. After a lot of shaping I find that I am replacing the tip again!!! Only to got through the whole process again.... Any thoughts... Will a medium density tip be the answer???

  • #2
    In the process of chaging tip .. how you do the re-shaping ? with only sandpaper or you cut it ?

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    • #3
      I've used all three types of this tip (S,M,H), and have found that reshaping is not an issue! If I need to reshape at all, it's after about 150-300 (I just changed these times, as I really don't reshape) hours of play. I do though have a self made file with a rather course emery cloth of 80 grit, I use this to press against the tip to give it more grip and take the chalk better. I do this maybe once every 10-15 hours of play.

      At the moment I have the hard tip on my cue, and it's been there for 3 months. Which will add up to 300 to 400 hours of play. And it looks like I'll be still using it in 6 months from now.

      I will be going back to the Medium tip after this Hard one, as I think the medium is the best tip to use on the tables I play. If you are using a table with a deep nap (Strachan Club cloth) stay with the soft tip as it will probably grip the cue-ball a little better. If you are using tables with Tournament Gold cloth or #10 then you can use either of the 3.

      This is only my opinion and you may hear something else from others.

      All the best,

      Brian.
      Last edited by Strickimicki; 20 August 2011, 12:08 PM.
      Quote : It took me eight hours a day for 16 years to become an overnight sensation! Cliff Thorburn

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      • #4
        Originally Posted by Freddie Ng View Post
        In the process of chaging tip .. how you do the re-shaping ? with only sandpaper or you cut it ?
        I only use sandpaper.

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        • #5
          Do yourself a favor, get in touch with ADR147 and ask him for the pdf. file on how to do this properly! When cutting, in a sawing manner and not pushing the blade through like you would a Blue diamond or Elk!

          Brian.
          Quote : It took me eight hours a day for 16 years to become an overnight sensation! Cliff Thorburn

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          • #6
            Ive seen theADR147 pdf before!!! great article

            Do you find there is a huge difference between the S and M talismans? I am hoping that the M's do not flatten after the initial shaping

            I tried the MH Kamui's yesterday, did not like it at all.

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            • #7
              Talisman tips do not really go flat after being shaped correctly. They are all quite hard, even the soft version, so once they've been cut level with the ferrule and shaped into a decent domed top, you should not have any further issue in needing to re-do it.

              When you fit a new tip, they are best trimmed flush to the ferrule with a sharp blade, and then shaped over the top with abrasive of around 180 to 240 grit. This is sharp enough to cut the tip, but not too coarse as to rip it to shreds, leaving loose fibres everywhere.

              Take a look at this here...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9N-hmyBxNn0

              This was a short Vid I made for someone who had asked me how I cut the tip flush with the ferrule. The fine abrasive strip used after it has been cut is only to remove any residue on the ferrule (which on this brand new cue in the video clip is oil residue) From there, you can shape the top of the tip and then re-polish the side wall of it into the ferrule again....and you're done.

              Edit.... If anyone wants to see a Talisman tip being cut in the same way, let me know and I'll post another Vid for it.

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              • #8
                Well, i have used around eight talisman tips. I usually shape the tip in a mountainous shape /\. by the end of the next session it is.more.of a rounded hill shape. So i guess they do flatten. this is what i have found

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                • #9
                  Thanksfir the input

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                  • #10
                    Originally Posted by trevs1 View Post

                    Edit.... If anyone wants to see a Talisman tip being cut in the same way, let me know and I'll post another Vid for it.
                    Would like to see that video.

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                    • #11
                      Put a new tip on again today. Same thing!!! Its driving me insane

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                      • #12
                        Originally Posted by FMeister View Post
                        Put a new tip on again today. Same thing!!! Its driving me insane
                        No offence intended mate but it would appear to be you that's the problem rather than the tips.

                        As Trevor mentioned in an earlier post, Tallys are a very hard tip and don't change shape very much at all after you put one on. You must be sanding them too much to begin with to the point you are pretty much destroying the tip before you start.

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                        • #13
                          Originally Posted by Gerry Armstrong View Post
                          No offence intended mate but it would appear to be you that's the problem rather than the tips.

                          As Trevor mentioned in an earlier post, Tallys are a very hard tip and don't change shape very much at all after you put one on. You must be sanding them too much to begin with to the point you are pretty much destroying the tip before you start.
                          I can see who you say that. Let me just confirm....i was playing brilliant for a.few hours. The tip then flattens a little and seems that it has hardened. Doesn't week the same

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                          • #14
                            Originally Posted by FMeister View Post
                            I can see who you say that. Let me just confirm....i was playing brilliant for a.few hours. The tip then flattens a little and seems that it has hardened. Doesn't week the same
                            Doesnt feel them same

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                            • #15
                              The correct shape for a cue tip is to be rounded, so it mirrors the shape of the ball. So, in effect, you're looking to achieve a more spherical domed top to it than a sharp pyramid shape. If you do shape it as a more pyramid / peaked kind of shape, then no doubt, the tip will feel softer from new, and once it has had some constant impacts from shots played, it will become more rounded and will firm up in the process. This rounded shape is actually what it should be like, and when it is like this, Talismans "WILL" feel pretty hard on all but the most soft contact cues.

                              As we know and (if you can be bothered) constantly read here, different tips will be suggested as being "the best", when in fact, there is no best. Different players will like a different contact sound to the next, and while "some" tips are perhaps more consistent in their characteristics, cues are often very different in their own particular contact sound, with some being hard and slightly metallic, some hard and more woody sounding and others more soft and slightly dulled or numb sounding. This natural contact sound of any cue can be altered to some extent by the use of a certain tip, and this is what people will find is to their tastes. For you, I'd say the issue is with yourself and not the tips. Perhaps you need to find something which is more suited to you, but whatever you do, the tip should be shaped as above for best results.

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