re spotted black conundrum

[Simon Whitehead]

I was playing a game with a friend and i potted the black but fouledand that meant there was 2 points between us with him winning by 2 points because of the foul!! As far as I knew you could only foul once on the black on a black ball game! So i was wondering does he win or do we re spot the black again!

[throtts]

He wins buddy...

[ADR147]

yep if i read you right he wins.

[snookergr]

If the difference in the scores is between 0-6 points and the black is on the table (black ball frame) than anyone who fouls loses.
The only "exception" to the rule is when the difference is 7 points and the only player who can "afford" a foul is the player who is 7 points ahead. So if the player who is 7 points ahead fouls then the black is spotted again (if it had gone in the pocket) the cueball is played from the D (if it had gone in the pocket) and the scores are obviously level AND anyone who fouls then on loses the frame.

[Wayne G]

If the difference in the scores is between 0-6 points and the black is on the table (black ball frame) than anyone who fouls loses.
The only "exception" to the rule is when the difference is 7 points and the only player who can "afford" a foul is the player who is 7 points ahead. So if the player who is 7 points ahead fouls then the black is spotted again (if it had gone in the pocket) the cueball is played from the D (if it had gone in the pocket) and the scores are obviously level AND anyone who fouls then on loses the frame.

Question - If the player who is 7 points ahead just fails to hit the black then the score is tied. So, do you continue playing from where the balls lie or is it an automatic respot of the black and you toss a coin for choice of shooting out of the 'D'?

[The Statman]

Question - If the player who is 7 points ahead just fails to hit the black then the score is tied. So, do you continue playing from where the balls lie or is it an automatic respot of the black and you toss a coin for choice of shooting out of the 'D'?

No it's a re-spot. Think of it this way:

ANY foul on the black ends the game.

If you're 8 in front and you foul, you've still won, but only by 1 point.
If you're 6 in front and you foul, you've lost.

However, obviously, if there was seven points difference and the player ahead fouled, then it will be a tie.

Therefore, re-spot.

[Souwester]

The first pot or foul on the black (when only blakc remains) ends the game, and the winner or loser is the person with the most points once the points for potting or fouling are put on the scoreboard.

*IF* the scores are level when those points are put on the board, only then is the black respotted and the cue ball will be played from within the D, regardless of whether the cue ball is still on the tablke from the last shot. Remember, a coin is tossed to see who has the *choice* of who plays the first shot at the respotted black.

[DeanH]

...you could only foul once on the black...

best to think of it as, you can only score once on the black, whether by a pot or a foul
As others have said, only after that score is added and the scores are level, then it is a respot black, toss coin, etc.

[Phil Carr]

Your opponent wins (unfortunately). A foul on the black in a black ball game means loss of game to whoever has the lowest score AFTER THAT SHOT. The exception is if the scores are THEN equal, whereupon the black is respotted.

[Phil Carr]

It's a tied game. RESPOT!! (toss coin etc.)

[Sidd]

A foul on the black means end of frame. No argument about the score or respotting given that a foul on black ends the frame against the one who did the foul.

The only condition is that if the opponent has 7 score and you need to pot the black and then it will take you to respotting. In that situation if the opponent fouls the score is levelled and hence you respot... no other way!

[Gerbil]

re spotted black conundrum

Hello,

Quick question: if player A is on 14 points and player B is on 7 points. Only the black is left but player A fouls. Scores are now even. Player A then fouls again and player B is on 21 points. - Does player A have a chance to pull it back to level and start again or does he lose as there is only supposed to be one foul?

Not as quick as I first thought!

Cheers

[Souwester]

First it would be a mircacle if only 21 points were on the board by the time you get to the black ;-)

When Player A fiorst fouls it makes the scores level at 14-14, so the blakc ball woule be respotted, the players would toss for whoi has choice of playing first shot, and then the first pot or foul will end the game. I presume that when you say A foiuls again that this is after respotting the black, and yes that will definitely end the game.

[andy carson]

It's a tied game. RESPOT!! (toss coin etc.)

how did you reach that one????

[Gerbil]

First it would be a mircacle if only 21 points were on the board by the time you get to the black ;-)

When Player A fiorst fouls it makes the scores level at 14-14, so the blakc ball woule be respotted, the players would toss for whoi has choice of playing first shot, and then the first pot or foul will end the game. I presume that when you say A foiuls again that this is after respotting the black, and yes that will definitely end the game.

Yeah I was only using 7 and 14 to explain.

Thanks for that, I would have thought that it could go on and on. But I suppose when you think about it it makes more sense for one foul to lose. Otherwise it could end up that a player actually needs to be 14 in front.

I suppose if you foul on the black then you generally deserve to lose. (baring a fluke Chinese snooker or something).