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    I thought to myself, you've gloss painted the front and back door at 3am in the morning (to ensure an entire day of drying before closing), so you deserve a few hours of practice alone. Went back to bed, got up around 10ish. Went to the snooker room after lunch to iron out some flaws, which basically consist of being able to pot amazing long balls, then miss one by 6 inches; inconsistency. And it happens on shorter shots too.

    Did about 2.5 hours of work and was reasonably pleased. I'd increased the gap between feet, getting down lower, weight forward, square on, foot in line, etc. Get jacket, lock up the snooker room. Hang on, I've forgotten my last set-up. Jacket off, cue back out, balls back on table for a few mins of memorising the good things for next time. Get down, cue ball off the cushion about a foot and half behind the yellow spot and slam the blue in the pocket. Hmmm, that was good. Went to get up, then got back down to check set-up. Hello, bent arm instead of straight arm, bridge closer to the ball, shoulder on jaw leaning into the table a few inches. Look down, left foot has gone half a pace forward off square, R foot still in line, shoulder width gap between feet. Grip doesn't feel as tight, more relaxed. Did it again, and again, and again, on different angles, all long balls. It works better than the my old set-up. Tried some short balls, screwing round the table and back to the black; works. Smashing the pink in the middle; works.

    Problem. It works when I'm resting on the rail. Open play when the cue ball is a few feet in from the rail; nightmare, missing balls by miles. Why? Because having the shoulder on chin with bent arm leads to a muscle on the far side of the forearm cramping up, with the right forearm swinging outwards to the right and then coming back in, resulting in striking across the ball. Painful to boot. I then spent another hour trying to rectify this issue, because the long potting had been so promising, I didn't want to go back to a straight bridge arm, with 12-13 inches from bridge to ball. Bent arm was so much more solid. It dawned on me, keep your left shoulder in the same relative position to the chin, but allow it to drop down; don't worry about shoulder to chin contact when you are in the middle of the table. Bingo! I only had about fifteen minutes left for shots with the cue ball in the middle of the table, but I started sinking the object ball for the first time with bent arm in that position, and more consistently than straight arm.

    Two months of putting lots of hours in, then in one afternoon; click! What a relief. If Carlsberg did snooker practice, that's what it would feel like. Probably not the most interesting article on TSF today, but I was just so pleased, that I wanted to share the joy with TSF. Thanks to Nrage, Terry, all my friends on here, who've advised me to do, pretty much what I did today. Sorry it's taken so long, and you've had to put up with a very difficult birth but I think this could be the road for me now. I really hope I've sorted my set-up out for good, and can now move on.

    Have a good weekend potting everyone,
    PP.
    Last edited by Particle Physics; 21 July 2012, 08:38 PM.
    Harder than you think is a beautiful thing.

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    Well done mate, the dedication is paying off and shows how a few tweaks here and there can make all the difference. I suppose
    height/physique etc have a lot to do with different set up's and as Terrys advocates COMFORT.....

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    • #3
      Originally Posted by johno View Post
      Well done mate, the dedication is paying off and shows how a few tweaks here and there can make all the difference. I suppose
      height/physique etc have a lot to do with different set up's and as Terrys advocates COMFORT.....
      Thanks mate. Yeah, I'm 6 foot, so getting down is going to be harder for me than most. I've been putting in 12-14 hours a week for 2 months now. And I was getting frustrated and close to getting very fed up; though I never thought of backing off or quitting; it just made me want to find the answer even more. Your point about comfort is a very important and salient one. If it's uncomfortable, it probably won't work and even if it does, it spoils the game and one's joints. I'd say that my technique and set-up is now close to being totally different to what it was 3 months ago, when I decided I wanted to play snooker instead of pool. The guys on here, especially in the coaching section, are awesome, and very patient with students.

      Just the start though, I need to bed this set-up and technique in. I think Terry mentioned a month to bed-in a change, and if I take into account all the changes I've made, it could be months of grooving. But I'm really looking forward to practice after practice after practice now that I've got some tools to do the job. I love snooker.
      Last edited by Particle Physics; 21 July 2012, 08:42 PM.
      Harder than you think is a beautiful thing.

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      • #4
        Originally Posted by johno View Post
        ...as Terrys advocates COMFORT.....
        Originally Posted by Particle Physics View Post
        ...I'm 6 foot, so getting down is going to be harder for me than most.
        Comfort is very much a primary condition of the stance, to get this I have had doen many changes to my stance (like other on TSF) and after seeing a CoachGAv I only had to do one minor change and that was to move my left leg (I am right handed) a little further outwards from the body and all seemed much better. Your other comment about that the comfort zone being harder to obtain, I have also started to be concerned about this and so I have started to other activities to get my body more responsive (as I am not getting any younger with bad bad and knees) when at the snooker/pool table, I have started regular stretching and moving exercises (taichi/karate - nothing extreme) and have found this to be a benefit to my game.

        I thought at the time when ROS started running that he was going through what I was thinking :shrug:
        Up the TSF! :snooker:

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        • #5
          Originally Posted by DeanH View Post
          Comfort is very much a primary condition of the stance, to get this I have had doen many changes to my stance (like other on TSF) and after seeing a CoachGAv I only had to do one minor change and that was to move my left leg (I am right handed) a little further outwards from the body and all seemed much better. Your other comment about that the comfort zone being harder to obtain, I have also started to be concerned about this and so I have started to other activities to get my body more responsive (as I am not getting any younger with bad bad and knees) when at the snooker/pool table, I have started regular stretching and moving exercises (taichi/karate - nothing extreme) and have found this to be a benefit to my game.

          I thought at the time when ROS started running that he was going through what I was thinking :shrug:
          Yeah, feeling the sore knees myself today. ROS's running is to also help his biorhythm, as bi-polar affects this quite badly but fitness and flex will also improve his game I reckon. I really felt more comfortable yesterday, putting the left foot a bit further out and half a foot forward, got down lower too. Someone advised me to do this a while back, but force of habit holds us back from accepting the idea of change. All the top players have a wide stance compared to club players, the Melbourne Machine is a prime example.

          Can't wait to practice later, snooker is lovely.
          Harder than you think is a beautiful thing.

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          • #6
            Pick what you think is the best and most comfortable set-up and best technique and then STICK WITH IT and do not experiment with any changes. The longer you stick with it the more consistent you will become.

            Just a note on cementing in new things. 4 years ago I went to Nic Barrow who discovered 11 things that could do with correction in both my set-up and technique although he advised me to work on them one at a time. After 4 years I'm still working on staying still and driving the cue (grip hand) through to my chest consistently. Also, I still do not have a rear pause.

            Probably if I was a lot younger I would have learned these things quicker but it's been a struggle and I feel I am getting better but now I have to prove it in a tournament environment

            Terry
            Terry Davidson
            IBSF Master Coach & Examiner

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            • #7
              Originally Posted by Terry Davidson View Post
              Pick what you think is the best and most comfortable set-up and best technique and then STICK WITH IT and do not experiment with any changes. The longer you stick with it the more consistent you will become.

              Just a note on cementing in new things. 4 years ago I went to Nic Barrow who discovered 11 things that could do with correction in both my set-up and technique although he advised me to work on them one at a time. After 4 years I'm still working on staying still and driving the cue (grip hand) through to my chest consistently. Also, I still do not have a rear pause.

              Probably if I was a lot younger I would have learned these things quicker but it's been a struggle and I feel I am getting better but now I have to prove it in a tournament environment

              Terry
              Hi mate, I think there is a set-up for everyone which is comfortable and solid. When it is found, it's the one that involves the least movement, because one is no longer straining every sinew to get the pot down. I don't have four years, I need to get things as perfect as I can, asap, even if this means a lot of short term pain in terms of playing and potting. I want to build a really good base as a newish player from the get-go. It's harder to unlearn bad habits, than it is to learn good ones. I need the good ones from now on. I think I'm close Terry, and hopefully I can adopt a set-up that will see me through to the day I stop playing.
              Harder than you think is a beautiful thing.

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