Ash cue on tough strong and stiff (cue shaft slightly heavy dew to the toughness)

[pat_wong]

Have any member own a piece of tough strong and stiff ash cue, cue shaft slightly heavy dew to the toughness. Can someone share how the cue perfomance if you happen to have one.

Many Thanks
Pat

[golferson123]

Have any member own a piece of tough strong and stiff ash cue, cue shaft slightly heavy dew to the toughness. Can someone share how the cue perfomance if you happen to have one.

Many Thanks
Pat

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[pat_wong]

all the attributes of a bad bat.

Hi Mate you mean a too tough cue (heavy stiff shaft weight at 17.5 oz) will not able to play well why? Any other member can help me on this shaft area? really need more feedback before getting one to try. Many Thanks.

[hotpot]

For me the more solid the shaft the better the hit regardless of what weight you use , my current cue is 17.5 oz and the shaft is

really solid and plays lovely , i,ve had cues where the shaft feels quite hollow and feels the same when playing .

[DeanH]

also, I would not say that 17.5oz is heavy, and I would hope that all cues are strong - i.e. not about to break

when you say "tough" do you mean stiff, not-flexible
stiffness is not necessarily directly related to the cue's weight
I assume English is not your first language

[damienlch]

Played with a 18.5oz cue with a stiff ash shaft before. The shaft must have been quite dense too as it felt heavier than some cues with the same weight (I weighed them all with a good electronic scale).

It looked a solidly built cue but I think the weight coupled with the dense shaft made it rather clumsy to use. My bad though, I was experimenting with different cue dimensions and ordered it that way.

[pat_wong]

also, I would not say that 17.5oz is heavy, and I would hope that all cues are strong - i.e. not about to break

when you say "tough" do you mean stiff, not-flexible
stiffness is not necessarily directly related to the cue's weight
I assume English is not your first language

Dean thank for correcting my english the tough i mention is what you mention on the ash shaft stiffness and what i want to express is the shaft dense that damienich has mention that will made it felt heavier than some cues on same weight of 17.50oz wish to find out will it be the same on playing on this two different shaft?
Thanks.

[pat_wong]

Appreciate to all the member on assisting on my quirey of the shaft Lastly will one to know is there a different when playing a same weight of 17.50oz cue with dense shaft on heavier side compare to the normal shaft which both is also strong and stiff.
Sorry on my english again as DeanH is correct i my first language is chinese
Many thank to all the forum member on taking your precious time to reply my feedback.

[joejoe]

Cue with stiff shaft and good flex consider a good cue,a good cue maker can source this out from the tapper,currently playing a very stiff shaft with less flex cue,easy to stun the ball but very poor when playing side,top and back spin.some people say stiff shaft help long pot but this is not true.hope this help.

[Greecean]

The title of this thread needs rewording as im confused

[golferson123]

this is a very complex matter! cue ball deflection or throw is a result of no spin on the cue ball so there is no recovery of the cue ball.a cue that fails to work the ball will also throw! a heavy shaft(not artificially forward weighted) and stiff will push the cueball away too soon and not let the tip bite!.shaft flex allows the tip to stay in contact longer ergo more spin less throw.too light a shaft and too whippy
will result in the tip moving off the ball, no spin and more throw.so on the fence, not too stiff and not too whippy.not too light and not to heavy(shaft wise).i realise if you are buying without playing you want as much information as you can to what makes a good cue,but thats not going to happen,but the above is a good starting point.good cuemakers will have done some of the work for you but with more and more beginners wanting fancy cues ie loads of chevrons, exotic timbers ect they really have their work cut out.one closing point the only advantage of a heavy shaft is they play better off the cush!

[pat_wong]

this is a very complex matter! cue ball deflection or throw is a result of no spin on the cue ball so there is no recovery of the cue ball.a cue that fails to work the ball will also throw! a heavy shaft(not artificially forward weighted) and stiff will push the cueball away too soon and not let the tip bite!.shaft flex allows the tip to stay in contact longer ergo more spin less throw.too light a shaft and too whippy
will result in the tip moving off the ball, no spin and more throw.so on the fence, not too stiff and not too whippy.not too light and not to heavy(shaft wise).i realise if you are buying without playing you want as much information as you can to what makes a good cue,but thats not going to happen,but the above is a good starting point.good cuemakers will have done some of the work for you but with more and more beginners wanting fancy cues ie loads of chevrons, exotic timbers ect they really have their work cut out.one closing point the only advantage of a heavy shaft is they play better off the cush!

Dear golferson really thank for your information, i finally know what kind of ash shaft to have again in my future selection.My Andy Travis cue which i using in front atabout 2" to 3" inches is a bit whippy that why i hope to order another full stiff shaft so needed to find out more info the shaft area before my selection. Many thanks for your feedback

[Snookered]

The best is to try it yourself and see how it suit to your type of preference. I have a Robin Cook Ash which is considered by most to be very stiff and hard. But it still have a bit of flex on the shaft and I don't have much problem generating spin on the cue ball. The only downside is that you need to get used to the special sound of the cue hitting the cue ball.

Snookered <==== preferred Maple cue now

[ste bed]

I know what your trying to get at some cues can weight the same but some feel hollow and light and some feel solid weighty and dense.
I don't think stiff is the word you where looking for I have a cue here a master cue special 1 piece maple a realy early one with the plastic coating
Over the baged bought it around 2000 second hand and its exactly what your describing it just feels solid from top to bottom. Never held a
Another cue that quite feels the same everyone that picks it up always says the same.