sighting

[pcb]

hi all.
had a conversation recently about eye on which ball when we strike the cue ball with a couple of coaches. Can someone please convince me once and for all that we should looking at the object ball contact point we wish to strike with cue ball ,therefore our eyes will send our cue arm in the direction we are looking. Both coaches i discussed this with seemed to have a difference of opinion.
thanks.

[pottr]

You should be looking at the object ball... 100%

The good news is, you don't need to worry about it at all... Just work on your technique, pot the balls and let your eyes do what they do.

NEVER EVER focus on what your eyes are doing. It will **** up your head pal.

[markz]

I never even thought about it till I found this forum. I'd just play the shot. Now I tend to know that I focus on the point of the object ball and it helps with my potting.

[throtts]

My routine is as follows ,,

Your aiming must tell you tip position on CB and where the Back of the Ball is,,, thus dropping you down to sight on the correct line. When down in the sighting position I focus on the point where I need to hit the OB ( BOB ) and then weight of shot.. So yes,, eye on OB all the time when down sighting.

[itsnoteasy]

hi all.
had a conversation recently about eye on which ball when we strike the cue ball with a couple of coaches. Can someone please convince me once and for all that we should looking at the object ball contact point we wish to strike with cue ball ,therefore our eyes will send our cue arm in the direction we are looking. Both coaches i discussed this with seemed to have a difference of opinion.
thanks.

What was the other opinion Pcp, eye on the cue ball at time of strike, or do you mean flicking between cue ball and object ball while feathering.

[tomwalker147]

You should be looking at the object ball... 100%

The good news is, you don't need to worry about it at all... Just work on your technique, pot the balls and let your eyes do what they do.

NEVER EVER focus on what your eyes are doing. It will **** up your head pal.

Correct- I've developed a habit of checking where my tip is in relation to the cue ball on the first feather then for my final two feathers it's solely object ball. Works for me.

[pcb]

What was the other opinion Pcp, eye on the cue ball at time of strike, or do you mean flicking between cue ball and object ball while feathering.

yes thats right - cue ball striking , then look up to object ball before it hits the pocket .

[itsnoteasy]

yes thats right - cue ball striking , then look up to object ball before it hits the pocket .

Oh that's not for me.

[barrywhite]

Most pros flick between the CB and OB on feathers but focus on the OB on delivery. Hendry added the pocket into the routine as well. I look at the CB taking the cue back but the OB on delivery. By this time, you've either got the angle correct or you haven't so it's time to focus on what you're trying to pot, believe, deliver the cue with the correct force and not subconsciously worry about the contact point or the angle. It's too late to change it all.

[Ramon]

hi all.
had a conversation recently about eye on which ball when we strike the cue ball with a couple of coaches. Can someone please convince me once and for all that we should looking at the object ball contact point we wish to strike with cue ball ,therefore our eyes will send our cue arm in the direction we are looking. Both coaches i discussed this with seemed to have a difference of opinion.
thanks.

Not ur eyes ,, it's your brain who's doing that .
Well, this is what Vmax has mentioned in this forum many times and i do agree with him . He's right .
As for coaches . they have diff ideas about this matter .
Sum coaches believe , You do'nt have to look at the OB . Sum players are CB players . According to Chris Henry ROS is a CB player ( that means he's looking at the CB at the time of striking ), a statement which i am absolutely disagree with .
Other ones , believe you should look at the OB ( at the time of striking ).
anyway, I think ( as already mentioned ) you do'nt have to think about it . Your eyes and your brain gonna decide for you what to do.

[throtts]

Not ur eyes ,, it's your brain who's doing that .
Well, this is what Vmax has mentioned in this forum many times and i do agree with him . He's right .

Yep, Vmax is correct. If I miss its normally down to not looking at the point of contact, also feel when you do do it correctly , it does help prevent movement.

Darts, you look at the treble. You chuck a bit of rubbish in the a bin from distance and you look at that bin opening. Hell, even when you take a p**s you should look and aim at the water or you may miss and make a mess.

[Ramon]

Yep, Vmax is correct. If I miss its normally down to not looking at the point of contact, also feel when you do do it correctly , it does help prevent movement.

Darts, you look at the treble. You chuck a bit of rubbish in the a bin from distance and you look at that bin opening. Hell, even when you take a p**s you should look and aim at the water or you may miss and make a mess.

Good post .

[Catch 22]

After this discussion a while ago , I downloaded a slow motion app on my ipad and videoed a bunch of shots from a bunch of players . I could then play them back frame by frame

I videoed , trump , Higgins , selby , Ronnie . Random shots from random angels and also safety shots too .

What I found was trump is almost always OB, however on long deep screw "trump shots" he looks a CB last .

Selby was OB for almost every shot
Ronnie was OB but on the two long pots I videoed he was CB
Higgins was CB for every shot I recorded including long , short and safeties .

I took into account people saying that they may rise their eyes to the pocket etc but It was easy to tell where a players eyes were looking on the frame by frame .

I'm not saying which way is better or worse as I'm cr@p , plus I don't care either way but I just found the last debate interesting so checked it out for myself . Tbh higgins is easy to notice he is CB even in real time .

Me personally have tried both . I'm better as a CB player but can play OB too so il just need to see how it goes

[Ronnington]

Fascinating stuff, thanks Catch 22. During Trump's Master's semi-final, a few posters commented on here about Trump's address or cueing being off-centre - I must be being thick as I haven't noticed this yet - do you mean where his chin is ever so slightly to the side of the cue or was he not cueing straight on delivery or something? Thanks

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

After this discussion a while ago , I downloaded a slow motion app on my ipad and videoed a bunch of shots from a bunch of players . I could then play them back frame by frame

I videoed , trump , Higgins , selby , Ronnie . Random shots from random angels and also safety shots too .

What I found was trump is almost always OB, however on long deep screw "trump shots" he looks a CB last .

Selby was OB for almost every shot
Ronnie was OB but on the two long pots I videoed he was CB
Higgins was CB for every shot I recorded including long , short and safeties .

I took into account people saying that they may rise their eyes to the pocket etc but It was easy to tell where a players eyes were looking on the frame by frame .

I'm not saying which way is better or worse as I'm cr@p , plus I don't care either way but I just found the last debate interesting so checked it out for myself . Tbh higgins is easy to notice he is CB even in real time .

Me personally have tried both . I'm better as a CB player but can play OB too so il just need to see how it goes

Interesting. Can you upload it to youtube? I have a hard time believing a 4 time world champion would look at anything other than the OB last.