Black off the spot - side below 40?

[Snookclops]

Got an issue with a shot. Black off its spot, high and about a 3/4 ball or slightly thicker. Can play run to get the ball out in the middle but cannot get ball back up playing stun or screw.


Stun requires insane cue power to get it off chush and back up, screw is in off or just back along the Cush.....is screw and running side the best option here? I can get the ball out easier when I have tried this but lack consistency with side....which brings me to the point:

Lots of people have said forget side until you are a reg 40 breaker.

I have a high break of 41 but usually manage 25-35 every now and then with a lot of 10-20 breaks. I have therefore tried to avoid side thus far but I feel I need it now...or am I missing something?

[vmax4steve]

Yes you are missing something, you don't know the rudiments of playing with side, lots of threads on how to do it.

I have the feeling that you've posted on this subject before, correct me if I'm wrong, but it opened its usual slanging match between the for's and against's and Big Shot chipped in with his usual Dr. Dave drivel. I'm staying out for this one, use the advanced search box to revisit.

[Snookclops]

Have you even read my question?

My question is: should you start learning side when you are still fairly low breaker?

You have replied: you don't understand the fundamentals of playing with side.

Yes, that really gets to the crux of it.

So instead of just ushering me to a search box, perhaps you'd do the courtesy of reading the question?

If this is an archive, make it an archive. There are a pack of folks jumping down the throat of people asking for specific answers. Sometimes, what you are asking is not always exactly what has already been defined before, and often a huge assumption is made in thinking that I, or others asking variations of standard questions, have made no efforts in attentions to find answers elsewhere - indeed, the entire nature of this question is due to the fact I have read and heard that side is something to add later to my game, but I feel I am hindered by the lack of it so 2nd opinion needed.

Every topic has probably been convered. Many times, but there seems to be a culture of frustration and ridicule for those who ask anything so you might as well close this as a forum and make it an archived web resource.

If it's about an atmosphere of an unhelpful IT department who defer everything to a help manual...especially as many, many sections of the resource hold contradictory points (is is timing of power and contact point? What causes a kick?)

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

The 'avoid side unless strictly necessary' rule is there because playing with side is difficult. You'll be better off in the long term mastering centre ball first.

That said, mastering centre ball ain't easy, either.

It really depends on what you want to get out of the game - if you have aspirations of becoming a regular century breaker and winning things, then work like buggery on your technique. If you are content to just have fun, play as many exhibition type shots as you like. Up to you.

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

Yes you are missing something, you don't know the rudiments of playing with side, lots of threads on how to do it.

I have the feeling that you've posted on this subject before, correct me if I'm wrong, but it opened its usual slanging match between the for's and against's and Big Shot chipped in with his usual Dr. Dave drivel. I'm staying out for this one, use the advanced search box to revisit.

He doesn't know the rudiments of playing with side but you criticise me for pointing him towards a site where it's broken down to the nth degree? Really, steven?

And congratulations on staying out of this one lol.

[throtts]

@ snookclops,

If i am understanding the shot in question, then I would hit the cue ball a tips worth above centre, with a strongish hit. As with all shots, make sure you get through the cue ball.

[j6uk]

i think that shots played here a few times in the first twenty or so, but if not this routine will get you feeling good around the black

[markz]

Got an issue with a shot. Black off its spot, high and about a 3/4 ball or slightly thicker. Can play run to get the ball out in the middle but cannot get ball back up playing stun or screw.


Stun requires insane cue power to get it off chush and back up, screw is in off or just back along the Cush.....is screw and running side the best option here? I can get the ball out easier when I have tried this but lack consistency with side....which brings me to the point:

Lots of people have said forget side until you are a reg 40 breaker.

I have a high break of 41 but usually manage 25-35 every now and then with a lot of 10-20 breaks. I have therefore tried to avoid side thus far but I feel I need it now...or am I missing something?

From my own experience I tried to keep the game as simple as possible until getting regular 50 breaks, just using plain ball and leaving an angle to reach next ball.

The game is hard enough when your learning, your high break is 41 but you say usually it's 10-20 so really you struggle with break building. Adding side in to your game at this stage will make it even harder to pot balls. Any professional or decent player will always say using side increases the difficulty on shots.

With the shot you describe on the black the best way to learn it is mark where the white is and play the shot 50 times till you learn from trial and error where to hit the cue ball and at what pace. It's boring but the only way to learn the variables side throws at you as opposed to simple centre ball striking.

[vmax4steve]

Have you even read my question?

My question is: should you start learning side when you are still fairly low breaker?

You have replied: you don't understand the fundamentals of playing with side.

Yes, that really gets to the crux of it.

So instead of just ushering me to a search box, perhaps you'd do the courtesy of reading the question?

If this is an archive, make it an archive. There are a pack of folks jumping down the throat of people asking for specific answers.

OK Snookclops, do me the courtesy of being able to read, do me the courtesy of not wanting to go through this minefield once again because you can't be bothered to use the search box, do me the courtesy of no matter what I post no one gives me thanks for it, no one ever says yes that helped me, all I ever get is the nay sayers and those like big shot who who are simply looking for another slanging match. Once again he's jumped straight in after being absent on the forum for weeks, I'm tired of it OK.
Use the search box, type in using side and read again everything that's been posted on the subject before, believe me there is nothing missing, if you want to find out about it it's there.

[Tommykiid]

My 1st post was about this exact topic its called potting with side have a read through it man got a lot of replys hope this helps ya

[Tommykiid]

Found http://www.thesnookerforum.co.uk/boa...ing+side+tommy

[markz]

Found http://www.thesnookerforum.co.uk/boa...ing+side+tommy

You nearly started a riot with that thread if I remember right lol

[itsnoteasy]

You nearly started a riot with that thread if I remember right lol

Whoa! Just clicked on Tommys' link ,I stopped reading at the bottom of the first page, Incase I got banned, I could see where that was going after around five posts
P.S, thanks Vmax I like what you have to say.

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

OK Snookclops, do me the courtesy of being able to read, do me the courtesy of not wanting to go through this minefield once again because you can't be bothered to use the search box, do me the courtesy of no matter what I post no one gives me thanks for it, no one ever says yes that helped me, all I ever get is the nay sayers and those like big shot who who are simply looking for another slanging match. Once again he's jumped straight in after being absent on the forum for weeks, I'm tired of it OK.
Use the search box, type in using side and read again everything that's been posted on the subject before, believe me there is nothing missing, if you want to find out about it it's there.

Hang on. Firstly, I've been banned for 2 months, not 'absent'. (And for Jack ****, i might add). Secondly, YOU referenced ME, so don't try to shift the blame. I most definitely didn't "jump straight in", nor am i "looking for another argument", so get your facts straight and man up when you've misjudged something, ok? Thirdly, search functions are crap on most sites, and this one is no different.

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

You nearly started a riot with that thread if I remember right lol

Yeah. Happy days lol.