proper way of aiming when stand up

[swestlife]

i wanna ask the proper way to aim the shot while in a stand up..i usually line up the shot when my right eye and my right leg although my both eyes are open i more use the right eye to align the cue ball to the object problem when an hour or more i play i fell strain or pain in my right eye,,,i try terry and nics says in this furom that you have to align the shot like use your nose middle body and the line of aim runs between your right and left foot..any advice here please a true and right way to do the right thing to improve,the game that i love any suggestion is welcome and thank you some coaches here please help and others player who play a high LEVEL give me some idea

[Tommykiid]

proper way of aiming when stand up

coach's on here may disagree but I always make sure my hips are facing into the shot because in my view if they are not directly pointed at the line of aim your eyes can't adjust properly

[itsnoteasy]

Relax, sounds like you are trying to bore a hole in the ball with your eyes, if you are getting strain. What do you do with your eyes during the whole routine?

[Terry Davidson]

I'm just not sure whether us coaches aren't saying it clearly enough or the readers aren't understanding properly. There is a thing both Nic and I coach with and part of it is the 'pre shot routine'. We advocate standing directly behind the shot (square to the shot) with the whole body, but especially head and hips. The specific eye just doesn't matter at this stage. You are standing about 1ft behind the spot where you will get down into the address position. The nose is pointed towards the object ball.

Now you take one step forward with the straight leg foot placing the arch of the foot (or at least somewhere on that foot) directly on the line of aim, but you are still facing the shot. Now as you place the other foot forward you swivel the hips away from the cue side and this should keep your head on the line of aim easily and you still have your nose pointed at the object ball. Drop fully into the address position and don't even look at the cueball (don't worry, with a little experience you will drop down to centre ball or else whatever side you want).

Bridge hand is now on the table with the 'V' of the bridge anywhere from 8" to 15", whatever you prefer and at address your grip hand should be directly over the foot with the forearm hanging straight down. Start your feathering and now you can have a look at the cueball. At the end of feathering stop the cue against the cueball then do your final backswing and delivery.

If you keep your nose on the line of aim throughout this pre-shot routine and don't move during the backswing and delivery and also drop the head STRAIGHT DOWN you have to be on the chosen line of aim and if you can deliver the cue straight you will deliver it straight down the line of aim you have chosen.

Where your sighting eye comes into play is when you drop into the address position. At this time usually the nose will swing off the line of aim about 20* or so but keep your sighting eye on the object ball (unless you happen to be one of those players who doesn't look at the object ball during the backswing and delivery that is - which I disagree with).

[swestlife]

I'm just not sure whether us coaches aren't saying it clearly enough or the readers aren't understanding properly. There is a thing both Nic and I coach with and part of it is the 'pre shot routine'. We advocate standing directly behind the shot (square to the shot) with the whole body, but especially head and hips. The specific eye just doesn't matter at this stage. You are standing about 1ft behind the spot where you will get down into the address position. The nose is pointed towards the object ball.

Now you take one step forward with the straight leg foot placing the arch of the foot (or at least somewhere on that foot) directly on the line of aim, but you are still facing the shot. Now as you place the other foot forward you swivel the hips away from the cue side and this should keep your head on the line of aim easily and you still have your nose pointed at the object ball. Drop fully into the address position and don't even look at the cueball (don't worry, with a little experience you will drop down to centre ball or else whatever side you want).

Bridge hand is now on the table with the 'V' of the bridge anywhere from 8" to 15", whatever you prefer and at address your grip hand should be directly over the foot with the forearm hanging straight down. Start your feathering and now you can have a look at the cueball. At the end of feathering stop the cue against the cueball then do your final backswing and delivery.

If you keep your nose on the line of aim throughout this pre-shot routine and don't move during the backswing and delivery and also drop the head STRAIGHT DOWN you have to be on the chosen line of aim and if you can deliver the cue straight you will deliver it straight down the line of aim you have chosen.

Where your sighting eye comes into play is when you drop into the address position. At this time usually the nose will swing off the line of aim about 20* or so but keep your sighting eye on the object ball (unless you happen to be one of those players who doesn't look at the object ball during the backswing and delivery that is - which I disagree with).

thanks terry i can say my form is like anthony McGill the cue is only in my right side chin/eye,i do the feet close together as the line of aim is between two feet and directly to my nose as i walk in my head move to the left as im right hand player so i go offline every time i step in to the line of aim what is the right thing to correct this sir terry.in my routine i plant my right foot on the line of aim first i say not walking in the drop my right EYE to the same line of my R foot but i got some strain in my right after an hour or more playing..

[Terry Davidson]

thanks terry i can say my form is like anthony McGill the cue is only in my right side chin/eye,i do the feet close together as the line of aim is between two feet and directly to my nose as i walk in my head move to the left as im right hand player so i go offline every time i step in to the line of aim what is the right thing to correct this sir terry.in my routine i plant my right foot on the line of aim first i say not walking in the drop my right EYE to the same line of my R foot but i got some strain in my right after an hour or more playing..

As I said, either I'm not being clear enough or you have a difficult time understanding, so perhaps if I shout you might hear and understand it better.

WHEN YOU ARE STANDING BEHIND THE SHOT AND PLACE THE STRAIGHT LEG FOOT INTO THE ADDRESS POSITION ON THE LINE OF AIM THEN swivel the hips away from the cue) AND THIS WILL KEEP YOUR HEAD ON THE LINE OF AIM.

This is not rocket science and don't try to overthink it. Get your effing head behind the line of aim and KEEP IT THERE and for goodness sake don't worry about which eye is on the line of aim, just worry about the head. Use the nose if you have to.

[swestlife]

As I said, either I'm not being clear enough or you have a difficult time understanding, so perhaps if I shout you might hear and understand it better.

WHEN YOU ARE STANDING BEHIND THE SHOT AND PLACE THE STRAIGHT LEG FOOT INTO THE ADDRESS POSITION ON THE LINE OF AIM THEN swivel the hips away from the cue) AND THIS WILL KEEP YOUR HEAD ON THE LINE OF AIM.

This is not rocket science and don't try to overthink it. Get your effing head behind the line of aim and KEEP IT THERE and for goodness sake don't worry about which eye is on the line of aim, just worry about the head. Use the nose if you have to.

thank you so much coach terry thanks for the advice

[legod]

Interesting. I've struggled with this for years experimenting with various techniques.
Terry - do you stand behind the shot with your feet together? When you put your foot forward it would need to come slightly across onto the line of aim rather than directly forward, wouldn't it? And then you have to get the hips out of the way.
Why is this method recommended over simply putting your foot on the line of aim and 'leaning' so that your head is directly above your foot (and therefore on the line of aim)?
When I look on tv and there's a camera shot facing the player, I rarely see the player address the ball in the way that you describe. If you drew a straight line from the line of the shot into their body at the moment they address the shot, it would not intersect the middle of their torso.
With Nics's method at the address point, both of my feet are either side of the line of the shot. Where I feel I struggle is consistently getting my foot on that line of aim comfortably. If it's slightly off, then I'm unbalanced. Whereas if I start off with my foot on the line of aim, it only has to move forward (and not across slightly). Plus I don't have to get my hips out of the way.

[Terry Davidson]

Interesting. I've struggled with this for years experimenting with various techniques.
Terry - do you stand behind the shot with your feet together? When you put your foot forward it would need to come slightly across onto the line of aim rather than directly forward, wouldn't it? And then you have to get the hips out of the way.
Why is this method recommended over simply putting your foot on the line of aim and 'leaning' so that your head is directly above your foot (and therefore on the line of aim)?
When I look on tv and there's a camera shot facing the player, I rarely see the player address the ball in the way that you describe. If you drew a straight line from the line of the shot into their body at the moment they address the shot, it would not intersect the middle of their torso.
With Nics's method at the address point, both of my feet are either side of the line of the shot. Where I feel I struggle is consistently getting my foot on that line of aim comfortably. If it's slightly off, then I'm unbalanced. Whereas if I start off with my foot on the line of aim, it only has to move forward (and not across slightly). Plus I don't have to get my hips out of the way.

You are over-thinking everything. It doesn't really matter how you stand behind the shot as long as your head is on the line of aim, ideally your nose. If you don't want to swivel the hips then lean over to keep the head behind the shot. Howqever, a lot of players will move the head off to the left (right-handed) and will swoop down into the address position from the left.

It is necessary to avoid this and drop the head straight down into the address position from the initial aiming position when standing behind the shot.

That's it, there is nothing else except practice and more practice.

[inevermissblue]

As I said, either I'm not being clear enough or you have a difficult time understanding, so perhaps if I shout you might hear and understand it better.

WHEN YOU ARE STANDING BEHIND THE SHOT AND PLACE THE STRAIGHT LEG FOOT INTO THE ADDRESS POSITION ON THE LINE OF AIM THEN swivel the hips away from the cue) AND THIS WILL KEEP YOUR HEAD ON THE LINE OF AIM.

This is not rocket science and don't try to overthink it. Get your effing head behind the line of aim and KEEP IT THERE and for goodness sake don't worry about which eye is on the line of aim, just worry about the head. Use the nose if you have to.

IBSF Master Coach and Examiner??? What's that when its at home? I'm almost certain that it wouldn't be someone who rants impatiently with more than a touch of arrogance. You are a Coach apparently, so don't you think you should be a lot more patient with people who seek advice? Reading this was terrible. A fine example. I'm assuming you don't charge...

[Big Splash!]

INMB: International Billiards and Snooker Federation, the alternative to World Snooker. They release templates and are a much more trustworthy org in general. They have their own coaching system and badges. I think TD has a serious illness to get over and his fuse is considerably shorter unfortunately. He's a good guy generally.

[Terry Davidson]

INMB: International Billiards and Snooker Federation, the alternative to World Snooker. They release templates and are a much more trustworthy org in general. They have their own coaching system and badges. I think TD has a serious illness to get over and his fuse is considerably shorter unfortunately. He's a good guy generally.

I wasn't being a bad guy. I have explained this exact same 'pre-shot routine' at lest 10-15 times on here and it's also explained in Nic Barrow's website very clearly. What makes me get twisted is people seem unwilling or too lazy to do a little research and I end up seeing the same questions over and over again.

Never mind inmb's calling into question my qualifications and experience along with my attitude. Sometimes with students you have to emphasize the lesson and that is what I did in this case. The student himself didn't seem upset. Besides which those comments were not addressed to inmb so what makes him the politeness police?

[inevermissblue]

I wasn't being a bad guy. I have explained this exact same 'pre-shot routine' at lest 10-15 times on here and it's also explained in Nic Barrow's website very clearly. What makes me get twisted is people seem unwilling or too lazy to do a little research and I end up seeing the same questions over and over again.

Never mind inmb's calling into question my qualifications and experience along with my attitude. Sometimes with students you have to emphasize the lesson and that is what I did in this case. The student himself didn't seem upset. Besides which those comments were not addressed to inmb so what makes him the politeness police?

As you may or may not be aware, I personally think that coaching is utter nonsense. However... There are people who buy into it for whatever reason. It wasn't you're politeness that I questioned. It was your level of professionalism.

P.S. In fact, I fail to see any point in remaining a member. There's not much positivity or benefit! So if anyone knows how to delete my profile please let me know.

[Big Splash!]

As you may or may not be aware, I personally think that coaching is utter nonsense. However... There are people who buy into it for whatever reason. It wasn't you're politeness that I questioned. It was your level of professionalism.

P.S. In fact, I fail to see any point in remaining a member. There's not much positivity or benefit! So if anyone knows how to delete my profile please let me know.

TD has helped many players on here, for free, take that into account. He's never come out with 'don't practise' nonsense when we know that all pros practise, some for long hours.

There are two types of player, those that see better ways of doing and can naturally correct things, make adjustments and max their games, and those who can't. I do most of my own corrections with very occasional coaching sessions but I do pick up stuff on here that's useful. Other players need more hands on help and not just the technical stuff; safety, opening the pack, position, tactics etc etc. If they improve, then coaching works, particularly if it saves a player a lot of time not getting things right. I know of many a player that coaching has helped. Some it hasn't but I'm not sure if they spent enough time or energy doing what their coaches advised. But you are wrong on coaching. Bingo improved with coaching to correct cueing across the ball and other faults to become world champion. Many pros have said that coaching has improved them. You aren't a world champion or a pro. Maybe some coaching could have improved you further? Maybe not given your attitude to coaching.

It would be sad to see you go as an over-reaction to what TD wrote. Toys out the pram.

[inevermissblue]

TD has helped many players on here, for free, take that into account. He's never come out with 'don't practise' nonsense when we know that all pros practise, some for long hours.

There are two types of player, those that see better ways of doing and can naturally correct things, make adjustments and max their games, and those who can't. I do most of my own corrections with very occasional coaching sessions but I do pick up stuff on here that's useful. Other players need more hands on help and not just the technical stuff; safety, opening the pack, position, tactics etc etc. If they improve, then coaching works, particularly if it saves a player a lot of time not getting things right. I know of many a player that coaching has helped. Some it hasn't but I'm not sure if they spent enough time or energy doing what their coaches advised. But you are wrong on coaching. Bingo improved with coaching to correct cueing across the ball and other faults to become world champion. Many pros have said that coaching has improved them. You aren't a world champion or a pro. Maybe some coaching could have improved you further? Maybe not given your attitude to coaching.

It would be sad to see you go as an over-reaction to what TD wrote. Toys out the pram.

It's nothing to do with this thread. Its just a long line of crud i see on a regular basis. So i'm opting out! I don't see a lot of use here for me personally. Coaching is useless! Outdated and sometimes ill advised. Except for glaringly obvious faults, which anyone who knows a bit about the game would also notice, without the need for a badge!
What skin is it off my nose? I read something that appeared offensive, so I made a remark. Like I said someone show me the delete button. I've obviously outgrown this place. ��