Whats wrong with you here?

[InCamelot]

Jesus christ, i said something about Stephen Lee on this forum, and every single englishmen here attacked me, and they locked the thread. Do you belive that these pro snooker player dont cant be discussed? Cant i critisise them? I said something about Lee, something thats english media had said, and suddenly nobody like to speak about it.

Lets say, if i write down real facts here, facts thats is written down, will you lock up that thread also? For example, if i say somthing about one of Osullivans family members? What will happend? Will you bann me from this forum?

I dont understand you, these players are famous. They have chosen their life. They make great money. Cant you critsise them? Is it forbidden? Tell me, im from Sweden, what the **** do i know? All i know is that in swedish snooker forum, no threads locks up if you say something like i did here.

[The Statman]

I had not read the thread, but I have just done so.

It is one thing to "state facts" as you say, but quite another to simply say someone is a "fat whatever you said" and "deals in drugs in his spare time".

If someone has not been charged with something, they are assumed to be innocent until proven guilty. If something is alleged, it might be worth stating that it is alleged, or at least provide a link to the material that you got it from.

This is a thread for discussion about snooker – yes, including scandals and controversy, but not limited to it. If you are a member here in order to slag people off and nothing more, you are in the wrong place. If you are here to discuss snooker, then welcome! But if you use language (such as above) which you need to use ****s to cover, then you will not get much in response.

[Robert602]

That the media may have printed something at some point certainly doesn't make it fact. You accused Lee of being involved with drugs, something for which he's been totally cleared of and for which you presumably have no evidence. For you to write that here publicly is actually illegal (look up libel), and so obviously we can't tolerate it.

Aside from that your contributions here have so far amounted to language laden playground insults. Fair, adult criticism is fine, childish name calling isn't. And yes, if you start attacking Ronnie's or anyone else's family without justification I'll probably ban you. I don't really care whether other forums would or not.

And just to be clear since you seem to be half suggesting that we're racist, our reaction has absolutely nothing to do with you being Swedish.

One last thing, if you've got a problem with a moderator's decision in future, PM one of us. Locking a thread is a subtle hint that we're not happy with the way that the discussion is going and by starting it up again you're not doing yourself any favours.

Maybe you're just having a bad day, so consider this a warning. I suggest you leave the forum alone for the night and come back when you've cooled off.

[mcmanusrules]

Ok, I agree with TS and Rob(If i may)
I did like you, a good, confident McManus fan, and now this?
Ok Lee is a bit large....so is Jimmy Michie, Adrian Gunnell, Shaun Murphy and others, whoop-dee-doo. And he didn't do/deal drugs at all.

As for O'Sullivan he has a severe mental condition called Bi-Polar(Manic) Depression, it is not easy to deal with, trust me.
And don't bring up his family history here, it isn't the right place.

And your lucky about Robert, if I were him you would have been banned before this pathetic topic was set up!

We a;sp have many Sweedish,Icelandic,Norweigen(sp?),German,Dutch and Chinese members, oh and Latvian(sorry April) so, how we are racist is beyond me!

[InCamelot]

"cooled off"?

I am "cooled off", so its cool. But you have just proven what i always has belived. And that is that Ronnie is a sacred thing for you in Great Brittain. You said it yourself, if i write something about Ronnies family members, you will bann me, either way if what i would write is true. And in the post i did about Lee, i did at the end also said that he is innocent, so i dont think you can be bothered about that anymore.

But back to Ronnie again. I know what i gonna do at work the next day i be there. Im just gonna go to my boss, shake his hand and and say "I had enough", then i just gonna walk out of there. Let see then what will happend when i next week after that asks for my job back. Lets see if i gets inivited to dinner by my boss and being told, "Its alright for this time, but you will get a warning"......

You understand what my point here is? I cant belive that everyone on the snooker pro tour accepts that behaviour from Ronnie in the UK! I cant belive that every single snooker interested person in Great Britain say that they "understand and forgive" Ronnie for what he did. Just walking out like that was a totaly scandal. I had put in english pounds counted, 400 pound that Ronnie would win the UK. Where was hes thiniking of all them that had put bets on him in the tournament? Of course, for many of you 400, pound is no big money, but for me it was really big money.

And did you see Ronnies behaviour in the match against Holt in Malta cup? It was worse then UK! For me, forgive me for saying this about your sacred profile, but in my eyes Ronnies 18 tournaments wins means nothing now......

[mcmanusrules]

1)Not all of us said we forgive Ronnie for what he did in York, I for one will never forgive him, but you have over looked his amazing charactrer display at the Masters, can you really see all other players comforting him like that? No.

2) Ronnie has a MENTAL PROBLEM ok he makes some bad choices for the fans, but they know thats what Ronnie is about.

3)Don't blame Ronnie for your gambling, no-one made you put £400 on him.

[InCamelot]

Ok, I agree with TS and Rob(If i may)
I did like you, a good, confident McManus fan, and now this?
Ok Lee is a bit large....so is Jimmy Michie, Adrian Gunnell, Shaun Murphy and others, whoop-dee-doo. And he didn't do/deal drugs at all.

As for O'Sullivan he has a severe mental condition called Bi-Polar(Manic) Depression, it is not easy to deal with, trust me.
And don't bring up his family history here, it isn't the right place.

And your lucky about Robert, if I were him you would have been banned before this pathetic topic was set up!

We a;sp have many Sweedish,Icelandic,Norweigen(sp?),German,Dutch and Chinese members, oh and Latvian(sorry April) so, how we are racist is beyond me!

So if i for example say that Mcmanus has reached 21 pro finals in his career, and i also in the same line say that i think that it is a scandal that he only have been able to win 4 of them, what would you say? Would you bann me? 4 wins of 21......come on, thats is not so great. I like Mcmanus, bit i can critisise him anyway. Can you?

[Robert602]

You said it yourself, if i write something about Ronnies family members, you will bann me, either way if what i would write is true.

And yes, if you start attacking Ronnie's or anyone else's family without justification I'll probably ban you.

This thread has nothing to do with Ronnie, if you want to debate him take it to the appropriate thread (there are quite a few). I think all that needs to be said has been said here, so I'm closing the thread. Don't start it back up again.