here's hoping we don't start another huge debate on side-induced throw and spin transfer! but nevertheless, very interesting comments from vmax ...
Last edited by DandyA; 22nd May 2012 at 12:08 AM.
I hate to be a killjoy when you're all so happy to throw advice at each other, but this thread is like the blind leading the blind, and putting unnecessary side on the ball is always a no-no. Hit the centre of the white as many times as you possibly can. Only ever play with side when it's absolutely necessary.
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The shot isn't hit hard, if it was then the arc away from the thicker aim wouldn't take effect before contact. There is no magic involved, it isn't a difficult shot to play but you must remember that you must get a feel for the shot through trial and error to find out just how the cue ball reacts to whatever spin you put on it.
I am suggesting this method for those of you who have trouble seeing the angle of a cut back black as it is easier to judge and see and aim for an angle that isn't so thin as is needed but still make the pot. Everyone knows that potting into a blind pocket is harder because the cue ball, object ball and pocket are not all in your eyeline so the angle is not only difficult to judge but it is harder to also keep your eye on that contact point of the object ball because the contact point of the object ball can also be out of your eyeline whereas a thicker contact point is not and you can keep your eye on it. Also the far jaw might be in your eyeline where the middle of the pocket is not making the angle to the far jaw easier to judge and aim for.
Of course one must practise striking the centre of the cue ball, but practising with side is a deliberate act and there's no reason why you can't do it in conjunction with centre ball striking. Do not address the centre of the cue ball and then pivot the cue to put on side as this is playing across the ball and would interfere with your centre ball, straight cueing practise and will lead to bad habits. The cue must come through straight, the same as it does with centre ball striking, the only difference is that the tip of the cue addresses the side of the cue ball and not the centre. Tip should address the cue ball between the centre and the outside edge.
Forget about the physics involved and just practise potting a 3/4 ball blue off its spot in to the middle pocket. Standing on the green side of the table, put the cue ball pink side of the blue, hand on the table, and aim for the blue to hit the far jaw and play the shot centre striking, hard enough for the cue ball to reach the cushion, so that it does hit the far jaw. Then set up the same shot, aim again for the far jaw but this time play the shot with running side (right hand) and see where the blue ends up. Adjust your aim as needed to pot the blue. Then practise the same shot from the yellow side of the table using left hand side. Then when you have got the feel for the shot, practise some cut back blacks using the same method.
When you have a feel for this shot on both blue and black then start the process again but this time with 3/4 ball blues with the cue ball baulk side so that you are playing with the nap rather than against it.
It's o.k. for others to state that side must not be used before centre ball striking is mastered but if you find yourself on twenty five and are faced with a cut back black that you nearly always miss and this running side method works for you then who's to say you won't go on to make a fifty+. Sometimes it's that one shot you need to make that's holding you back and there's more than one way to skin a cat.
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Firstly let me say that this post is not meant to offend anyone, it is just my opinion that you can either listen to or ignore.
We all play the game differently, and different isnt wrong, it’s just different.
Let me see if I have this right, - You find it hard to cut a black back when hitting the white in the centre.
So you add running side to the white, but then you aim at the black a bit thicker so that when the side takes the white will hit the black thinner and this will help you pot the black ?
Are you listening to what you are saying ?????
You are aiming to miss the pot, with side ( that you have no idea on how much it will affect the white) in hopes that this will compensate for the intended miss. ? Why not just aim to pot the black ?
This is a thread for those that have trouble making a 30 right ?
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There is only one way to regularly pot a cut back black and that is to practice, and by the time you get that practice you won’t be in this category of player.
At this stage of your game you should hit everything centre white unless you have no option and / or it is absolutely necessary, I suspect that hitting the ball hard like Trump and with the side of Ronnie is holding your game back.
Ask yourself, do you want to knock in a 50 or do you want to screw every ball with side, because at this stage of your game, you can’t do both.
Pick up two balls, one in each hand, touch them together and look at the contact point, it is minuscule, now you think that you can swerve the white ball up to three feet and make contact exactly where it needs to be to make the pot.
Let me tell you something, if you could successfully do this then you should be able to knock in a 100 easy