Snakewood EJR signature cues

[billabong]

I'm looking to sell my 2 x Beautiful Riley signature snakewood cues.

Don't know if I should sell them as a pair, as they look stunning side by side, or as 2 individual lots.

Specs are :-

cue 1 , 56" long, 8.6mm tip, 31.4mm butt, stamped 17oz and grade 1 shaft (actual 15.5oz ).
cue 2 , 56.25" long, 10.7mm tip, 30.2mm butt, stamped 16.5oz and grade 1 shaft ( actual 15.3oz ).

Cues have been refurbished by Dave at Craftsman cues to a high standard. Pics attached.

I spoke to Mike Fearnley who bought the cues at auction , and it is thought they are at their original length "as ordered",

and can supply more details by P.M. as required.

If anyone's interested in the pair, or either individual cue, please send a pm for more details.

[mythman69]

How does Mike Fearnley know they are "at their original length "as ordered""?

[billabong]

How does Mike Fearnley know they are "at their original length "as ordered""?

He doesn't "know" they are. He "thinks" they are, based ( I "think" ) on the collection of cues they were bought together with

( all being the same length ).

[mythman69]

He "thinks" they are, based ( I "think" ) on the collection of cues they were bought together with

( all being the same length ).

LOL - good luck on the sale.

[billabong]

LOL - good luck on the sale.

cheers sir.

[Maverick54]

could the possibility they have been reduced in length account for the difference in the actual cue weight and that which is stamped on them? Over an ounce on each cue!

[billabong]

could the possibility they have been reduced in length account for the difference in the actual cue weight and that which is stamped on them? Over an ounce on each cue!

It's not impossible. They were in a job lot of 12 riley cues from an old house up in the lakes,

all of which were around the same length, and age. This is where the thinking came from that they were perhaps

ordered at this length ?

[Maverick54]

It's not impossible. They were in a job lot of 12 riley cues from an old house up in the lakes,

all of which were around the same length, and age. This is where the thinking came from that they were perhaps

ordered at this length ?

Maybe a batch of stock cues that were altered for a boys club perhaps.

[billabong]

Maybe a batch of stock cues that were altered for a boys club perhaps.

What are you saying ? I only need a 56-57" cue, and I'm 53. LOL

[Maverick54]

What are you saying ? I only need a 56-57" cue, and I'm 53. LOL

Ha ha but you dont need 12 of them Bill.

Ive been watching my Sherlock Holmes dvds. Ive deduced a batch of 12 came from a house in the lakes. Cues made between 30s and 50s I think. Scout movement and outdoor pursuit centres sprung to mind and hey presto..... Riley supplied and installed a table to a boys/girls club in the lakes and reduced the length of a dozen stock cues and retapered them to better suit the kids needs. Hence the discrepency in the weight stamped on the cues and the actual weight. Elementry my dear Watson

[perpetualboredom]

How does Mike Fearnley know they are "at their original length "as ordered""?

Yes there were ~12 cues in all, all at the same specs with the catalogues they were ordered from... but if you'd like to disagree feel free?
It obviously would make much more sense for him to order them all at 58" then pay someone to shorten and referrule... *roll eyes*

[mythman69]

Yes there were ~12 cues in all, all at the same specs with the catalogues they were ordered from... but if you'd like to disagree feel free?
It obviously would make much more sense for him to order them all at 58" then pay someone to shorten and referrule... *roll eyes*

I wasn't disagreeing. I simply wanted to know how someone can tell they are "at their original length "as ordered"".

I didn't know there were more than two of them in the original post. 12 cues of similar length is different to two cues.

It was possible that two cues with slightly different specs were originally longer cues.

cue 1 , 56" long, 8.6mm tip, 31.4mm butt, stamped 17oz and grade 1 shaft (actual 15.5oz ).
cue 2 , 56.25" long, 10.7mm tip, 30.2mm butt, stamped 16.5oz and grade 1 shaft ( actual 15.3oz ).

Anyway, as I already said. Good luck with the sale!

[ADR147]

there is a stupid urban myth created by dave smith that cues should be 58" long but it is complete nonsense, for most antique cues 55-57 inches is much more common.

[perpetualboredom]

there is a stupid urban myth created by dave smith that cues should be 58" long but it is complete nonsense, for most antique cues 55-57 inches is much more common.

I'm not sure it's Dave's fault, but yes I agree - Just because someone writes something on a website doesn't make it fact.
Cues 30/50/70 years ago were available in any specs you choose, much like today. So no, not every cue that is short, or has a small tip has been “messed with” as some may have you believe.
Even the phrase 'trade catalogue' comes from what we see on some websites - but when you look at these 'trade' catalogues they often show price breaks for 1 unit 10 units etc - I'm sure Andrew can confirm that people in the trade don’t order in units of 1, so 'trade catalogue' is a misnomer in itself, these are just plain company sales catalogues.

[ADR147]

I'm not sure it's Dave's fault, but yes I agree - Just because someone writes something on a website doesn't make it fact.
Cues 30/50/70 years ago were available in any specs you choose, much like today. So no, not every cue that is short, or has a small tip has been “messed with” as some may have you believe.
Even the phrase 'trade catalogue' comes from what we see on some websites - but when you look at these 'trade' catalogues they often show price breaks for 1 unit 10 units etc - I'm sure Andrew can confirm that people in the trade don’t order in units of 1, so 'trade catalogue' is a misnomer in itself, these are just plain company sales catalogues.

agreed one unit you would not bother to order but as to cue length the standard for many years was based on a players name i have forgotton i imagine andy hunter will remember and it was 56.25 i think!