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Thread: Screwing Back : I'm ending up with no back spin when I hit the object ball

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    There are tons of strings on here regarding how to screw back and we all keep answering it. Tomwalker has one of the correct items, concentrate on accelerating through the cueball and then holding the cue at the end of the delivery for 1-2 seconds. Also try to hit the object ball with the tip. In addition most players who can't screw back I find are not hitting the cueball low enough as I have them address the cueball for a screw shot and then show them by putting my cue underneath their ferrule. Players are afraid of mis-cueing so I advise getting a spare piece of cloth and put it behind the cueball when practicing this. Then try screw shots and keep chalking before every stroke and also keep lowering the tip after each stroke.

    DON'T FORGET YOU MUST LOWER THE BRIDGE NOT RAISE THE BUTT TO GET CONSISTENT SCREW EFFECTS.
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    level cue, follow through, acceleration is all bollocks and has nothing to do with increasing torque on the cue ball, you are not hitting the cue ball low enough, end of. People all talk a load of regurgitated pap on here they heard from some bloke in the club who heard it from some bloke in the club, all long standing myths perpetuated by self styled experts and "coaches" none of which have ever examined the actual physics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slasher View Post
    level cue, follow through, acceleration is all bollocks and has nothing to do with increasing torque on the cue ball, you are not hitting the cue ball low enough, end of. People all talk a load of regurgitated pap on here they heard from some bloke in the club who heard it from some bloke in the club, all long standing myths perpetuated by self styled experts and "coaches" none of which have ever examined the actual physics.
    Helpful post.

    You're right about not hitting the ball low enough, but all the "regurgitated pap" is to help the guy actually hit the ball low enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slasher View Post
    level cue, follow through, acceleration is all bollocks and has nothing to do with increasing torque on the cue ball, you are not hitting the cue ball low enough, end of. People all talk a load of regurgitated pap on here they heard from some bloke in the club who heard it from some bloke in the club, all long standing myths perpetuated by self styled experts and "coaches" none of which have ever examined the actual physics.
    acceleration is a part of physics . Not to mention timing as well ? ( More speed (better timing) creates more spin.
    I honestly do'nt know why you think otherwise .
    But , it's your opinion bud . It's oky with me anyway .

    And your grip ? which is imo the key to your cue power .







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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramon View Post
    acceleration is a part of physics . Not to mention timing as well ? ( More speed (better timing) creates more spin.
    I honestly do'nt know why you think otherwise .
    But , it's your opinion bud . It's oky with me anyway .

    And your grip ? which is imo the key to your cue power .






    Mate, it isn't opinion, it's fact. The cue ball doesn't give a toss what hits it, what the bridge hand does, what the grip is like, what the follow through does...All it cares about is the moment of impact - before and after makes no difference whatsoever.

    As for acceleration, it is the lack of deceleration that is important.

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    Default Screwing Back : I'm ending up with no back spin when I hit the object ball

    Agree... lack of deceleration is what matters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hello, Mr Big Shot View Post
    Mate, it isn't opinion, it's fact. The cue ball doesn't give a toss what hits it, what the bridge hand does, what the grip is like, what the follow through does...All it cares about is the moment of impact - before and after makes no difference whatsoever.

    As for acceleration, it is the lack of deceleration that is important.
    Depends what you mean by follow through, though.
    buy a 67" cue and Following the CB with the tip from one side of the table to the other side of it ? No. in this case , you're right .

    The CB does give a toss which direction the tip moves at the time of contact . it's a matter of effect , it's a matter of physics ( your favorite part ).
    Ever heard OF : you gonna have to Load the CB up ??

    As for grip , No , i can'nt agree with that part . All decent players are able to close the grip in a consistent way and keep it firm .
    It's the key to the Cue power . ( imo ).


    And yes , deceleration is important.

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    why is deceleration important - If you decelerate through the cueball its a bad thing---I don't get the views of this forum sometimes.

    Grip and timing are important - accelerating smoothly through the ball is important -
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    It seems very funny to me that all the good coaches recommend accelerating through and beyond the cueball for some reason and in all 3 videos posted here that is exactly what's happening. Some of you feel it is not important to the cueball but did you ever think it may be important to the technique to finish the deep screw shot with a ton of follow-through and acceleration because otherwise the body would be jerking all over the place.

    I want those on here who say accelerating through the cueball is not important to try a deep screw shot and then stopping the cue 1" after the initial contact with the cueball and see how much screw and accuracy they get. Have the balls at least 2ft apart. Stopping the cue that short would lead to a lot of problems but accelerating the cue (and please note every one of these players is using a very long backswing in order to accelerate the cue to the maximum possible speed).

    longer backswing = higher acceleration (cue has more room to pick up speed) = more power and that works for all shots not just deep screw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Byrom View Post
    why is deceleration important - If you decelerate through the cueball its a bad thing---I don't get the views of this forum sometimes.

    Grip and timing are important - accelerating smoothly through the ball is important -
    I think you (and Ramon) misread - HMBS and Pottr say that "the lack of deceleration" is important
    Up the TSF!

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