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    Quote Originally Posted by PatBlock View Post
    I'd say, using the example you posted, that he is simply adding forward momentum to the 2nd ball by pushing it in that direction with the first, I don't see the need for or any evidence of imparted spin. If I remove the white from the situation, and just hit the first red in the same place, plain ball, it'll go in just the same, so where's the spin? All I've done is push one ball onto another, it hasn't had any time or space to spin, has it.

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    Ok well put the cue ball on the opposite side and make the pot - that way the white is not pushing into the red - you still have to hit on that plant in the same spot away from the back of the ball to make it - I don't know about the physics like others do but do think something must be imparted here pat - I have also played the shot where you need to thicken up the angle to make the pot - it cant be done without using side which is transferred - only a tad - but that can be the difference between keeping a break going or not.

    some players clearly not comfy aiming anywhere but centre ball that's fine I think you can use it to your advantage in many situations at the table - from the soft swerve to holding the cue ball on a narrower line for position - and of course the best effects are when using the cushion - but I also use a trace of helping side on certain shots...and cue all over the white on others...what is there to be afraid of - nothing - try a few shots out - experiment. its fun....the centre of the white is home - when you had a bit of fun you can always return there.

    Ps if you cue on a white centre ball and hit an angled shot - you are the one imparting throw when it hits and you will hit the cut shot thick - helping side just sets the OB ball out on the right path more easily as the ball is spinning in the direction of the pocket - hitting it straight you are more likely to make it hit thick as that spinny ball thing is going rolling in a different line and to make the pot you have to hit thinner than you would normally = Guess. which is fine as long as you understand - and you only gain the understanding by spending countless hours at the table as you and everyone else knows.

    I used to play pool and billiards too - I think some of the shots do come into play and use of side should be worked on. Less maybe more at snooker simply for the need to be more precise to become consistent at potting but its still important. Especially for position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Reggie View Post

    >50 breakers do understand, for many good reasons. This goes double for side xfer in the other post. It's that simple.
    Are you 100% sure about that, I think not, buddy...

    I consistently hit 50 PLUS breaks, not just one 50 in a blue moon..And still I come to my on conclusions from what I believe and have played.

    And if players have to rely on the shots we are discussing frequently the there is no way they are even a 30 breaker. No sub for good positioning, boys....
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    Think I will leave this now but would like to thank Vmax for taking the time to make this video, we might not agree but I fully appreciate him for making the effort, thanks Jim.
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    https://youtu.be/yqTGtwOpHu8

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byrom View Post
    Ok well put the cue ball on the opposite side and make the pot - that way the white is not pushing into the red - you still have to hit on that plant in the same spot away from the back of the ball to make it...
    It's not the white that's doing the pushing though, it's the first ball of the plant which pushes the 2nd, so no matter what angle you hit that first ball from, as long as you hit the right spot it'll push into the second ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itsnoteasy View Post
    Think I will leave this now....
    Spoilsport!

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    The video demonstrates how not to cue. How not to grip and bridge, and how not to 'hit' the CB. Fist-pumping the CB results in lost position, missed pots and 30 breaks. Sorry to say this but the standard of player needs to be higher to explore the subtleties of side on video. As Mr Stark says, it's intricate and certainly not whackaday. Byrom or tedisbill need to remake this video and demonstrate side xfer, or we could just watch Mr Stark again.

    * The man who criticises Mr BS wears a pool glove and whacks pool balls on a snooker table. You couldn't make it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Reggie View Post

    The man who criticises Mr BS wears a pool glove and whacks pool balls on a snooker table. You couldn't make it up.
    I have no idea how you can back BS up. His one obnoxious, rude individual....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hello, Mr Big Shot View Post
    You're seeing something vmax doesn't understand, yet is crowing about.

    Pride before a fall and that. Just scroll to 20 plus minutes.

    You're also seeing someone who pivots lol.
    Again you see only what you wish to see. I don't pivot, I compensate my aiming, the cue is parallel to the line I'm aiming down to allow for the initial deflection and subsequent swerve.
    For a lot of the time in that video I'm showing how not to do it, not compensating, hitting too hard or too soft and also trying to get that same contact that Wilson got and time and again. It didn't happen until I hit one too soft that swerved too much and got a bad contact at 25:30 but that shot was hit too slow to reach the pocket as was the one that followed it that was hit at the same pace but with a tad more compensation.

    Those played at the pace to reach the pocket either missed or went into the side of the pocket with no throw on the OB at all, and the cue (10) balls trajectory after contact was due to approaching the OB from off the original line of aim.
    The ball doesn't deflect off the line of aim, come back on and then go straight to the correct contact point to make the pot, it makes the right contact point coming from another direction, hence the cue pointing down a line of aim that compensates for the initial deflection and subsequent swerve.
    This is what you constantly fail to understand and think that it's all about throw and spin on the OB.

    Quote Originally Posted by Little Reggie View Post
    The video demonstrates how not to cue. How not to grip and bridge, and how not to 'hit' the CB. Fist-pumping the CB results in lost position, missed pots and 30 breaks. Sorry to say this but the standard of player needs to be higher to explore the subtleties of side on video. As Mr Stark says, it's intricate and certainly not whackaday. Byrom or tedisbill need to remake this video and demonstrate side xfer, or we could just watch Mr Stark again.

    * The man who criticises Mr BS wears a pool glove and whacks pool balls on a snooker table. You couldn't make it up.
    So you're back again splasher with the same axe to grind, somebody do something about this jerk once and for all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatBlock View Post
    It's not the white that's doing the pushing though, it's the first ball of the plant which pushes the 2nd, so no matter what angle you hit that first ball from, as long as you hit the right spot it'll push into the second ball.

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    It's the cue ball that stops the first OB from bouncing off the second OB at the moment of contact enabling the push/sqeeze effect to happen. No side required for that to happen Byrom, make a thicker or thinner contact to get a different push and the second OB will take a different line again.

    When there's a dead set plant of two or more touching balls, if you don't hit the first OB at the right spot the push/squeeze will make the pottable OB miss the pocket for the same reason.

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    would like to see a set of tc snooker balls used on a snooker table to prove a point. but interesting to see how those amercan pool balls react looked exhausting.. good show vmax

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