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Thread: Long potting practive advice required please

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    Quote Originally Posted by marriott View Post
    Thanks all for your replies. It's getting there hopefully. What Ive found today is a pronounced rear pause is helping me to stay down on the shot after the strike. The unfurl/lighter grip helps the cue keep online and I'm able to feel as if I'm getting the right sort of contact and range at least (and not just hacking hopefully or hopelessly lol).

    Going in to a long pot before with the 'I'm useless at these shots' mentality is I guess causing the anxiety and body movement hence hacking/missing regularly. So it's hundreds and hundreds of long reds with this pause and staying down for me ahead, until it hopefully becomes a strength!
    What do you usually think about when you're on the shot? You're obviously better than me and I just want to pick your brains a bit.

    I find I can't pot bugger all unless I just get down and play the shot before I have time to think, but this has it's own problems.

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    That's a good question. I don't honestly know as I rely on it being more natural and not overthinking. So 95% is engrained by now. My swing thought I guess is always a slow straight final backswing as this helps me stroke the ball and judge position more precisely. That being said the session I had with Barry Stark in July was great as he said my alignment/eye dominance/shot selection was all good but my grip was a problem.

    So mechanically the grip is in my mind currently but once it's engrained it'll be just the backswing I guess. Had my first ton at 16 and knock them in fairly regular including in league matches so I back myself to find the angle correctly. Also I make sure to relax and not hold the cue too tightly. Think Mark Williams walking round the table in his slippers just floating around like he does. Very relaxing haha

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    Play naturally, yes. That really is the key. I was toying about on my table the past 2 days by not being so robotic and just playing quicker thus more natural in effect. Outcome - there was no difference in my standard at all and in fact I enjoyed the session even more.

    ""Overthinking"", the game and the pending shot is bad for sure..ROS does this practice game to comp game the best obviously..
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    That's when I play my best. Drop down, push the cue through, but it's hard to keep it going, adrenaline I suppose. I do admire Mark Williams' pace around the table and demeanour when he plays. It's almost like he was just out for a walk and decided to pop a few balls in on the way.

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    I think there is probably some overthinking with long shots, if your sight is pretty good, I believe "timing" is everything on long pots. You can get away with non perfect timing on shorter pots but assuming you have sighted the angle well timing the stroke is key. Anything snatchy or punchy over distance will exaggerate the miss greatly.

    Just my thought and general experience.
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    I'd do the long blues test to see if you're cueing across. If you're not cueing off line it could be that you've learnt the wrong angles for long potting through never becoming proficient. It may purely be a case of doing long pot drills to ingraine the correct angle recognition.

    Drill I use is cueball on green spot, balls in a line across the table half way between pink and black spots. 1st ball is dead straight and work to right in sequence with the final ball being a 1/4 ball cut back into the same pocket. Once you can pit them without missing hitting plain ball, swap to the mirrored drill using the yellow spot for the cueball. Next step is to repeat with top on the white, then a soft screw/stop shot type action. The angles you hit WILL change to make the balls. If you're a natural player you will subconsciously learn and adapt. There are systems to sight the correct angles but I'd guess it'd ruin your natural fluency trying them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GasMonkey View Post
    I'd do the long blues test to see if you're cueing across. If you're not cueing off line it could be that you've learnt the wrong angles for long potting through never becoming proficient. It may purely be a case of doing long pot drills to ingraine the correct angle recognition.

    Drill I use is cueball on green spot, balls in a line across the table half way between pink and black spots. 1st ball is dead straight and work to right in sequence with the final ball being a 1/4 ball cut back into the same pocket. Once you can pit them without missing hitting plain ball, swap to the mirrored drill using the yellow spot for the cueball. Next step is to repeat with top on the white, then a soft screw/stop shot type action. The angles you hit WILL change to make the balls. If you're a natural player you will subconsciously learn and adapt. There are systems to sight the correct angles but I'd guess it'd ruin your natural fluency trying them.
    Yeah it might be I've learnt the wrong angles for long pots. When in i just automatically see it on the front of the object ball, should probably work back from the part of the pocket I want to pot it in for the longer ones

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    I think I increase my long potting success by hitting the white only hard enough to old the cue ball. I think allot of poeple hit the shots with too much pace. With practice you will be able to hold white at long distance with very little pace. Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Davidson View Post
    On long pots the tolerance is a lot tighter and any slight variance in your delivery can cause a miss. In better players this is usually caused by slight movement of the upper body with reason 2 being not driving through and beyond the cueball (despite what some on here say about follow-through being a non-issue after the strike.)

    My recommendation would be 2 things. First of all try potting 10 long blues and when you miss is the OB going to one side of the pocket? If you're a righty and you miss to the left of the pocket then you may be delivering the cue right-to-left. It could be something in your backswing or it could be 'clutching' the cue by tightening the grip too early, before the strike. Usually 90% of delivery problems originate in the backswing. Slow it down as much as you can while keeping your natural rhythm.

    Best solution would be to video yourself with a camera on a tripod behind the pocket and taking in from 6" in front of the cueball to the top of your elbow. The problem should be visible when you miss. Download Kinovea (freeware) and look at each missed long blue frame-by-frame and watch for upper body movement during either the backswing or delivery by looking at the shaft of the cue over the yellow pocket leather (or green if lefty) and then watch to see if your tip is in the middle of the cueball at strike and where the tip ends up on completion of the follow-through.

    If you're seeing the cue move sideways even a couple of millimeters then put the camera beside your grip hand and do 10 more long blues and go frame-by-frame again to see if you can tell where in the delivery the grip is tightening. It's hard to see and very blurry due to the speed as the camera is running at 30fps or sometimes 60fps.
    Good advice
    For the basic 'to do' list, ensure you have no upper body movement and be sure to leave the cue extended at the end of the delivery or in other words stay down and still. Imagine trying to hit the OB with your tip and be sure to accelerate all the way to the end of the delivery, do not try and slow down the cue.
    Good advice specially holding on to the shot after the strike in power shots or long pots

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_marsy View Post
    Good advice specially holding on to the shot after the strike in power shots or long pots
    One thing I noticed not only with myself but also most of my students too. Watch out for any sideways movement of the hips. I got down into the address position and tried moving my hips left and right only a fraction of an inch and the tip moved sideways on the cueball. Not something a lot of players think about.
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