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    Sorry to keep flooding but I need help!

    Iíve tried very hard to progress in this game, at points 10-15 hours per week.

    Iíve had 2 sessions with coaches. The only two active in my area didnít seem to want to work with me.

    One guy said he would tell me if he thought I could go anywhere in the game and kind of said he wouldnít bother trying and wasnít keen to rebook.

    The other just gave some basic potting advice but didnít seem impressed.

    Iíve come a long way, Iíve made I think 39 in practice, usually get a 30-35 off a line up session and in match best is 27. I prob make a 10-15 most frames.

    Given coaches donít seem that interested and I think they want to work with prospects - i am 35, should I just give up?

    Itís killing me but I canít move forward.

    If any coach in south west thinks they can do it come forward.

    I saw frank Adamson in Bristol who kind of said I didnít have a lot to work with and Bob Hill who didnít say this, but got the feeling heíd rather concentrate on better players - but perhaps thatís my reflection...I was hoping for video analysis etc but we just played a few balls and he gave some routines.

    On the cusp of concentrating on golf but I love snooker, despite getting beaten often - not by much, but potting breaks down and too inconsistent.

    Are some people just not able to pot consistently?

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    What are you expecting? It's a tough game and the majority of decent players would've started pre-teens and played for hours every day.

    I play golf maybe twice a year and because of that would be chuffed to score in the high eighties and get 2 or 3 pars.

    Put a video up here and the resident experts will help out

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    Right, will do it.

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    I'm just outside the South West, in Southampton, and specialise in working with beginners and players of your standard.

    But you won't get any video analysis from me. For that, you'd need to go to Terry Griffiths or Nic Barrow.

    All you'll get is good basic advice on technique, etc, which some players don't actually want to hear.

    Players around your standard often think there is some kind of magic wand that will move their games forward but I believe most issues at your level can be sorted by technique improvements.

    I get as much satisfaction from seeing a player of your standard make their first 30 break in tournament play as I do when a whizzkid makes his first century.

    No, you should not give up. But you may be trying too hard. Perhaps you practise too much in comparison to the amount of competition time you get.

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    Yes some people are not able to pot consistently or we would all be on TV but no reason to give up if you enjoy the game. There is an old boy who comes in our club, a nice guy but you just don't want to play him as games take ages if you don't have a good potting game. He has been playing for 50 years and apparently hasn't got any better or worse. He misses the ball completely at least 6 or 7 times a game lucky to pot more than 1 ball at a visit. The thing is he loves the game!!
    As for you to see a coach to help you and they're not interested is a bit poor as you are paying them for help, not help to make you a ton break builder ever visit but help on improving your game i am thinking?
    What are you asking the coaches for? If you are asking that you want to make a ton regularly then that is why they will not be bothered as it will not happen.
    What will you be happy with you need to ask yourself? If you are looking for the impossible then you will end up falling out with the game, if you just want to get the basics to help you get the odd break and enjoy the game its possible but need to let the next coach know that's all you want.
    I tried a coach a few years ago as believe it or not I forgot what to do??? I used to be a good average player with a 40+ most games with 50's, 60's and 70's thrown in then gave up for 14 years due to work, came back to it joined a team in a new town that I moved to expecting to do the same. Struggled with the odd 20 break in months.
    Couldn't do it was standing wrong stabbing at the ball (think this is because i played odd games of pool in the 14 years?) had 5 sessions with a coach only to get me back to the proper basics of starting the game again which it did but i wasn't looking to be getting big breaks just enough to enjoy the game again. I play about 15 frames a week now knocking in a few 20's 30's and a couple higher but I am enjoying it which at 50 is all I can ask for. What I am saying as above is look what your limits are, don't expect to much start of with getting enough right to enjoy the game not look for knocking in tons as you will be very disappointed.
    I hope this helps and the waffle didn't put you off........

    Andy

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    Snooker is a very difficult game. I played to a reasonable standard during my teens and 20's, but ultimately started playing less, because I wasn't playing often enough to improve. I took up pool instead, and until a couple of months ago exclusively played US 8 and 9 ball. Because potting is that much easier, I found my positional and tactical play improved very quickly. I was running back to back racks in a matter of months. Now, this was massively satisfying.

    I've now taken up snooker again, as well as english 8 ball. I was surprised how much my game improved after such a long break. It's difficult to work on your snooker game when you're not consistently potting, and for me moving to a game where potting was much less of issue meant the rest of my game was able to progress quicker.

    Sometimes, if you're frustrated to the point of quitting, a break is good. If you're that much in your own head about being able to pot the balls, you're not giving yourself a chance. I for one play a lot better when I get to the place where i'm playing on autopilot. You obviously love snooker, so if you quit for golf you will only end up coming back and being frustrated again. From my experience, if you love snooker, you're probably going to love pool too, and that may be a change that will improve your snooker game in the long run.

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    Another advantage for me now is, if I turn up to the club for a practice with a few cues, I can always find a game if i fancy one. Having a club with snooker and pool tables, and being able to play all these different cue sports, opens up much more opportunities to test your play competitively

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snookclops View Post
    Sorry to keep flooding but I need help!

    I’ve tried very hard to progress in this game, at points 10-15 hours per week.

    I’ve had 2 sessions with coaches. The only two active in my area didn’t seem to want to work with me.

    One guy said he would tell me if he thought I could go anywhere in the game and kind of said he wouldn’t bother trying and wasn’t keen to rebook.

    The other just gave some basic potting advice but didn’t seem impressed.

    I’ve come a long way, I’ve made I think 39 in practice, usually get a 30-35 off a line up session and in match best is 27. I prob make a 10-15 most frames.

    Given coaches don’t seem that interested and I think they want to work with prospects - i am 35, should I just give up?

    It’s killing me but I can’t move forward.

    If any coach in south west thinks they can do it come forward.

    I saw frank Adamson in Bristol who kind of said I didn’t have a lot to work with and Bob Hill who didn’t say this, but got the feeling he’d rather concentrate on better players - but perhaps that’s my reflection...I was hoping for video analysis etc but we just played a few balls and he gave some routines.

    On the cusp of concentrating on golf but I love snooker, despite getting beaten often - not by much, but potting breaks down and too inconsistent.

    Are some people just not able to pot consistently?
    Just PM'd you
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    Roy of Snooker Secrets.

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    Thanks all, will read pm and be back soon, at work presently.

    Issue is my 27 was like 3 years ago and I am just stuck. I do stupid things and donít know what to do at some points.

    I play a mate who played a lot as a kid. Itís always super close, but I lose 95% of frames.

    I have done SO much work on technical. I bought nics book, even my playing partner says I look textbook.

    I just want to see some improvement, I probably have, but perhaps being good enough to string a few breaks together. 9/10 I pot a good red and miss a colour.

    I also seem to leave my opponent in the balls, yet even when he makes errors, I am on cush with a difficult pot. I just donít get chances like the ones I give away. I miss pots by a fraction.

    This is turning in to a moan, but given how much Iíve learned, I should be moving forward. I made a big leap forward about 3 years ago and havenít really improved, despite practice.

    The coaches just told me things, like getting down on shot straight, slow backswing, follow to chest etc, but I know the theory. I know it inside out and back to front. I perhaps need a plan.

    I know Iím not going to hit tons without 20+ hours per week for years, but getting more 10-30s would be great. Some frames I barely make a break! I just have long pots miss or mess ups safety and end up seeing my opponent mop up easy balls, balls I could probably clear I just only ever get a long pot, not an easy chance. Often these are from complete errors from opponent yet I never end up in the middle with a pot on, and then Iíll miss it.

    This game really is hard

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