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Thread: Video of Maximum Throw/Squeeze at Different Speeds and Angles

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    maybe you wont have to travel so far?
    http://www.findsnooker.com/New_Jersey.html

    as long as they are clothed with traditional English cloth and not a US version.

    the difference between snooker and US pool cloth can be like wool to silk
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    Thank you, Dean! I'll have to call around and see what cloth they put on their tables. Also, I wonder if they even use the 52.5mm snooker balls. I've seen larger sized snooker ball sets on billiard supply websites.

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    Let us know
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    Quote Originally Posted by CueAndMe View Post
    Mike Sigel, one of the greatest pool players ever, apparently made a comment in the early 90's that throw doesn't exist and that anyone who believes it exists is silly. Someone who had played and dominated for so many years somehow didn't acknowledge its existence. You might suggest that this is a good example of why we don't need to bother with it, but he grew up in a pool room and played millions of shots, feeling his way to this belief. Professor of mechanical engineering Dr. Dave Alciatore as well as corporate engineer Bob Jewett, have shown very similar results to mine.
    I'm with Mike all the way, you need to convince me that this throw happens on every shot as you and Dr. Dave can only 'prove' this when three or more balls are contacting together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vmax View Post
    I'm with Mike all the way, you need to convince me that this throw happens on every shot as you and Dr. Dave can only 'prove' this when three or more balls are contacting together.
    A year has passed and you’re still in denial vmax lol

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    This threads got at least another 985 posts to go, Biggie where are you? It's time to go bear hunting again!! Wahoo!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by vmax View Post
    I'm with Mike all the way, you need to convince me that this throw happens on every shot as you and Dr. Dave can only 'prove' this when three or more balls are contacting together.
    Actually, you can probably prove or disprove it by downloading the snooker version of my printable tools. There are six tools in the set, but I believe that the two tools called RotoThrotractor and The Gauntlet will show you very vividly that throw exists and to what degree depending upon spin and speed. The Gauntlet allows you to set up guards that restrict the path of the cue ball when shooting a shot. You have less than 1mm of error or you will strike a guard on either side.

    Point the RotoThrotractor at the center of a pocket from, say, 4 feet away or more. Perhaps set up a 30 degree (theoretical 1/2-ball) shot with the guards (either extra balls or upside-down golf tees) on The Gauntlet in place. As long as you strike the vertical center of the cue ball (so that no side spin-induced throw is involved) and the cue ball evades the guards, the object ball should be pocketed dead center. If it doesn't go dead center or misses the pocket entirely, throw made that miss happen.

    I'm not declaring that you're all wrong. I'm just suggesting that you test it out. The tools are free. Again, I haven't played on a snooker table yet. I want to. I'd love to discover playing conditions where throw wasn't involved. Maybe the cloth really does make that big of a difference. I'm open to finding out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CueAndMe View Post
    Actually, you can probably prove or disprove it by downloading the snooker version of my printable tools. There are six tools in the set, but I believe that the two tools called RotoThrotractor and The Gauntlet will show you very vividly that throw exists and to what degree depending upon spin and speed. The Gauntlet allows you to set up guards that restrict the path of the cue ball when shooting a shot. You have less than 1mm of error or you will strike a guard on either side.

    Point the RotoThrotractor at the center of a pocket from, say, 4 feet away or more. Perhaps set up a 30 degree (theoretical 1/2-ball) shot with the guards (either extra balls or upside-down golf tees) on The Gauntlet in place. As long as you strike the vertical center of the cue ball (so that no side spin-induced throw is involved) and the cue ball evades the guards, the object ball should be pocketed dead center. If it doesn't go dead center or misses the pocket entirely, throw made that miss happen.

    I'm not declaring that you're all wrong. I'm just suggesting that you test it out. The tools are free. Again, I haven't played on a snooker table yet. I want to. I'd love to discover playing conditions where throw wasn't involved. Maybe the cloth really does make that big of a difference. I'm open to finding out.

    Download link:
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    Doesn’t matter what you show him he isn’t having it. He’s seen plenty of videos on here proving object balls throw last year.
    As for Sigal words fail me! Someone who can actually play the game and yet can’t see the wood from the trees lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cue crafty View Post
    This threads got at least another 985 posts to go, Biggie where are you? It's time to go bear hunting again!! Wahoo!!!

    Lol. The site is pretty boring since Biggie got banned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CueAndMe View Post
    Actually, you can probably prove or disprove it by downloading the snooker version of my printable tools.
    How can you have a snooker version when you didn't know that snooker cloths have a nap on them ?

    I have contacted Dr. Dave and he hasn't done any experiments on a napped cloth either, it's all US pool with napless cloths, bigger balls, five inch wide pockets and a cueist who couldn't make a 20 break on a snooker table his action was so poor, so no I'm not convinced and never will be until someone shows me a top snooker player who has learned about 'throw' from online videos and coaching aids and puts it to his advantage by winning tournaments.

    All of Dr. Dave's videos showed multiple ball combination shots or had the cue ball very close to the object ball to prove this throw.
    Something else is happening in these situations, we snooker players call it squeeze and it happens when the final object ball is being pushed by the cue ball/other balls in the combination, or by the cue ball alone when it is very close, the reason why push shots are outlawed in snooker as you can create different angles by doing this, prolonging contact by pushing the balls before they finally break apart.

    I'll bet there isn't a top player on the planet who adjusts his aiming point depending on where he strikes the cue ball on the centre vertical line of the cue ball because of this alledged throw, side spin yes but only because the cue ball deflects and swerves with the spin and this needs to be adjusted for.

    I have proven to myself that side induced throw doesn't happen on a dead straight shot, Dr. Dave insists it only happens on cut shots, cue ball yes as it's reacting to the nap on the cloth but not the object ball.

    The forum went through the side induced throw subject in great depth previously and it descended into nothing more than abusive slagging from a troll calling himself Hello Mr. Big Shot.
    travisbickle wasn't far behind him, and low and behold he's back again, been lying in wait for this to come up again no doubt.

    Check out the thread mate, it's many pages long and I'm not going through all that again, I've said my piece and that's the end of it as far as I'm concerned.
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