Brexit, in or out.

[VillaGuy]

I've been on foreign expat sites and seen British agencies advertising directly to people living abroad, this will still continue out of the EU or not. There needs to be a culture change as much as anything, one employers should source locally, secondly British people need to be prepared to work at minimum wage and start at the bottom. If zero hours are abolished it gives them the security to overcome the fears of working for low wages in a job that might last a matter of days or weeks. There are ways of reducing the migration, but this has to come from companies and British workers if this is what they desire, it's very easy to get a hard worker from Poland if the British worker aint working his bollox off 12 hours a day 7 days a week.
Leaving the freedom of movement the issue will still be the same, if someone is offered a job abroad they can get a visa easily enough if the employer tells the immigration agency he can't find motivated staff in the local community. It won't make a squats worth of difference to the wage deflation issues as businesses operate cross borders. But whilst we are limited in movements companies will not face the same pressures as we individually face, leaving the EU was a bag of lies by the news corps to support old Etonians and their business buddies, for the ordinary folk they have shown little understanding of their own interests.

[itsnoteasy]

My boy works in London quite a bit , sometimes on building sites and he sees them getting bused in to the sites and bused out , they tell him they all live in the same house, now that could be bed and breakfast I suppose but he didn't say they said that if you know what I mean.
He also says it near enough makes his job impossible because most don't speak English and when he needs something they can't answer him and just point to someone else who points to someone else who has broken English ,who then goes and gets someone who is in charge who is English. He was talking to one who told him to come and work with them, they were getting paid £250 a day cash in hand! Which isn't far off twice what he gets but he pays tax etc on his.

[VillaGuy]

If they aren't paying tax it's illegal, all EU citizens are supposed to be treated equally. This is the employer who is at fault here.

[itsnoteasy]

I've been on foreign expat sites and seen British agencies advertising directly to people living abroad, this will still continue out of the EU or not. There needs to be a culture change as much as anything, one employers should source locally, secondly British people need to be prepared to work at minimum wage and start at the bottom. If zero hours are abolished it gives them the security to overcome the fears of working for low wages in a job that might last a matter of days or weeks. There are ways of reducing the migration, but this has to come from companies and British workers if this is what they desire, it's very easy to get a hard worker from Poland if the British worker aint working his bollox off 12 hours a day 7 days a week.
Leaving the freedom of movement the issue will still be the same, if someone is offered a job abroad they can get a visa easily enough if the employer tells the immigration agency he can't find motivated staff in the local community. It won't make a squats worth of difference to the wage deflation issues as businesses operate cross borders. But whilst we are limited in movements companies will not face the same pressures as we individually face, leaving the EU was a bag of lies by the news corps to support old Etonians and their business buddies, for the ordinary folk they have shown little understanding of their own interests.

Not without freedom of movement it won't.

[VillaGuy]

Yes it will if a business offers them a contract.

Farms have already been assured they will still be able to get foreign seasonal workers in, it'll be the same for all businesses that want someone willing to work for minimum wage over a British fella who shows little work ethic.

[itsnoteasy]

Yes it will if a business offers them a contract.

Farms have already been assured they will still be able to get foreign seasonal workers in, it'll be the same for all businesses that want someone willing to work for minimum wage over a British fella who shows little work ethic.

Nope it won't, if any type of points system is introduced there isn't a hope any minimum wage job will get you enough points for a working visa. They may include exceptions like seasonal work but there isn't a hope in hell that a truck load of car washers will be coming over. I don't know where you get the idea British folk don't work hard, you must be mixing with the wrong types, I don't know anyone who doesn't work full time and graft hard. I'm not saying there isn't a tiny minority that won't work but if you think it's not the same in every country you are wrong, human nature is the same all round the world, and in the grand scheme of things they cost the country nothing, not compared with what we lose through tax avoidance for example which runs into billions. They are used as distractions by politicians ,look at them making a tenner on the side, keep looking, don't look at me as I'm shafting you up the bahookey, fiddling expenses, flipping houses, getting jobs on boards then giving those companies contracts, it's that guy getting fifty quid a week on the dole, it's all his fault, shop him to us, he's the one that bankrupted us.

[VillaGuy]

Yeah I see, you're after the much coveted elitism :dispirited: Goodbye to the brits wanting a new cultural lifestyle abroad and british teens or early 20 somethings wanting what is now considered a walk of life. They'll be comforted by the fact the older generations did the noblest of things when unemployment was at an alltime low and things weren't so bad.....remind me again what these loss of freedoms were for

[jonny66]

The reason unemployment is at an all time low is zero-hours contracts, people not making enough to live and basically still on benefits, but counted as working. You do contradict yourself a lot for such a successful, good looking fella.

[VillaGuy]

Absolutely you're right, tell me what the zero hour contracts have to do with the EU? If they are ended what do you reckon the EU citizens are going to do? I think you reckon they are over here because in your mind we live in heaven, if we why then vote brexit? If you haven't been to Germany maybe you think this is the case, but I'd advise on a bit of continental travel and you'll become well aware what we have here isn't a piece of nirvana but a system set up to employ people below legal requirements if neccesary gauranteeing people some sort of work. Change that and you automatically change the flow of migrants. But ending freedom of movement, guess what happens to the people of Grimsby who live in a sh*thole, they're stuck in it--permanently. They could sell their £30,000 hellhole and move to a decentish house in even France has some doer uppers for that, in the UK you'll get no better than Rochdale, Keighley or staying in bl**dy Grimsby. It's the poorest this has affected the most, to think it has improved anything you're deluded.

[Big Splash!]

The reason unemployment is at an all time low is zero-hours contracts, people not making enough to live and basically still on benefits, but counted as working. You do contradict yourself a lot for such a successful, good looking fella.

hahaha, the EU has expanded worker rights in order to protect people; limiting the number of hours workers can work so they don't get shagged out by slave drivers, amongst other things, including improved safety at work. The towries in contrast, with remove these rights, repeal the human rights act (your protection) and take you back to Dickensian Britain with 100hr weeks.

[Big Splash!]

All comments on this thread are useless...

the title of the thread is 'Brexit, in or out' The need for that debate ended on June 23rd... Saying we need to stay in the EU is a moot point. There was a referendum and there was a majority decision. To suggest that being in or out of the EU is still on the table isn't productive.

However you feel about it, you can either roll with the punches and counter with shots of your own or you can brace for impact... Either way, the punch is on it's way.

A more pertinent question would be 'Brexit, what happens next?'

Not much because the Brexiters didn't have a coherent, agreed, plan! Tbf, they really didn't know just how big a job leaving is; because they'd never considered it. UKIP didn't work it out either because they're a jingoistic bunch of loons. Unfortunately, the people believed the loonies and now the price will be paid; by the poor.

[VillaGuy]

hahaha, the EU has expanded worker rights in order to protect people; limiting the number of hours workers can work so they don't get shagged out by slave drivers, amongst other things, including improved safety at work. The towries in contrast, with remove these rights, repeal the human rights act (your protection) and take you back to Dickensian Britain with 100hr weeks.

They won't be able to see it, ex city trader Farrage was once photographed with a yet to be sipped pint of bitter in his hands....therefore he's a working mans man :biggrin-new:

[Big Splash!]

They won't be able to see it, ex city trader Farrage was once photographed with a yet to be sipped pint of bitter in his hands....therefore he's a working mans man :biggrin-new:

Democracy demands the lowest common denominator. Think about, half the people have an IQ less than 100 and 100 isn't that much to be able to understand the complexities of politics and economics. The answer is to pitch simplistic policies at their level, yes/no, black and white, etc. The 'Sun' solution. Because the people are stupid, you can fool them over and over again, which suits the extreme politicos because they can sell one agenda and follow their own secret agenda and not be sussed until much later. The press like it too because they can sell them/us easily; just look how many on this thread have fallen for this classic divide and conquer approach. UKIP and Brexit are a case in point, Trump being elected another. There's no telling how much stupid the public will vote for.

I think dopy Dave absolved himself from proper govt. (by putting UKIP on the guillotine and asking the UK to pull the lever) and the complexities and difficulties of getting the most out of the EU for the UK, and in doing so, failed. This is what he'll be remembered for. He did it to kill off UKIP and the right, who are a pain in the backside to the left and mainstream Tories more than anyone else. But he underestimated the power of stupid.

[VillaGuy]

Democracy demands the lowest common denominator. Think about, half the people have an IQ less than 100 and 100 isn't that much to be able to understand the complexities of politics and economics. The answer is to pitch simplistic policies at their level, yes/no, black and white, etc. The 'Sun' solution. Because the people are stupid, you can fool them over and over again, which suits the extreme politicos because they can sell one agenda and follow their own secret agenda and not be sussed until much later. The press like it too because they can sell them/us easily; just look how many on this thread have fallen for this classic divide and conquer approach. UKIP and Brexit are a case in point, Trump being elected another. There's no telling how much stupid the public will vote for.

I think dopy Dave absolved himself from proper govt. (by putting UKIP on the guillotine and asking the UK to pull the lever) and the complexities and difficulties of getting the most out of the EU for the UK, and in doing so, failed. This is what he'll be remembered for. He did it to kill off UKIP and the right, who are a pain in the backside to the left and mainstream Tories more than anyone else. But he underestimated the power of stupid.

Well the corporate elite/born elite have an easy ride when 52% don't realise what's being peddled to them by the media. Freedom of press is basically rule by press. There hasn't been a single occasion on this thread where I have heard one certain benefit of Brexit, it's really disturbing their opinions are based on politics/stories rather than their own quality of lives, just qualitative (statistically) statements without real world application.

[VillaGuy]

Without a certainty of doubt we'll lose:
Yours or your childrens/grandchildrens rights to work abroad in low skilled but important employment groups like tourism.
Your ability to retire abraod and possibly your pension income abroad.
Your rights to free healthcare in 27 other countries.
Your rights for equality of employment, you, if you want to work abroad may do so for less pay.
Not having the all inclusive EU grants for rights to earn profitable property abroad, farmland, land where you think is adjoined to the property where you could make an income.
Not needing to pay for visas to travel, imagine going on a car trip crossing several countries and needing to pay £35-£70 a time.
Even if you are made unemployed you don't need to pack your bags after a few weeks to get out the country.

What do we gain:
We get to fly our flag louder and prouder.
We stop pesky foreigners from using our public health services that their own foreign nationals help to run.
We take back rights (although we don't and lose rights elsewhere)
Erm struggling to think of another one.

If you look at the balance, would you vote in or out. I know what the Dads Army watching over 75's are going to say, but get back to reality and realise the EU is for us as much as anyone, what's your vote?