Particular type of shot

[itsnoteasy]

Have you seen the Nic Barrow video Alabadi where he uses three bits of paper to work out a shot, one piece he puts where the cue ball will land if max follow through is used, another if max screw was used(as you have said to show the limits of the shot) and the last where he wants the cue ball to land, this gives you a good picture as to where on the cue ball you need to be striking, I found it quite interesting, it's easy enough to do with just your minds eye but a very nice concept.

[alabadi]

The best exercise I ever found on just this type of shot was to try all contact points on the cue ball in a practice scenario. Pot 10 hitting centre ball with low speed, another 10 with medium speed, and another 10 with more speed. Then change the contact point on the CB from centre to one tip above centre and repeat. Then again for one tip below centre, and then left, and right on the CB also. As you do each shot, monitor what happens to the cue ball (assuming you make the OB each time). From this you will learn whats possible with the shot you have and then can create your own memory bank of areas of the table you can reasonably play for.

this is basically what I said without going into so much detail. one thing I like to do when I practice a shot is to start and play 1 shot extreme top spin and then another deep screw, this gives me the limits I can work with any shot.
it helps me to know this so I don't try making a shot that is not possible

[itsnoteasy]

The best exercise I ever found on just this type of shot was to try all contact points on the cue ball in a practice scenario. Pot 10 hitting centre ball with low speed, another 10 with medium speed, and another 10 with more speed. Then change the contact point on the CB from centre to one tip above centre and repeat. Then again for one tip below centre, and then left, and right on the CB also. As you do each shot, monitor what happens to the cue ball (assuming you make the OB each time). From this you will learn whats possible with the shot you have and then can create your own memory bank of areas of the table you can reasonably play for.

Oh I like this.

[thelongbomber]

The best exercise I ever found on just this type of shot was to try all contact points on the cue ball in a practice scenario. Pot 10 hitting centre ball with low speed, another 10 with medium speed, and another 10 with more speed. Then change the contact point on the CB from centre to one tip above centre and repeat. Then again for one tip below centre, and then left, and right on the CB also. As you do each shot, monitor what happens to the cue ball (assuming you make the OB each time). From this you will learn whats possible with the shot you have and then can create your own memory bank of areas of the table you can reasonably play for.

[alabadi]

yep i agree, i play these shots a lot. as said just mark a spot and play different heights different power and learn what the cueball is doing.

from the diagram as Terry said its a soft follow through height just above center and you will be on the reds, if the angle is shallower you can either stun to the same side or stun run to be on the reds the other side.

as said experiment until you get it

[itsnoteasy]

You don't want side on the stun shot, and you won't need it on the follow through either, I just wasn't sure of the angle, try them both and watch where the cue ball ends up, even if it's not right for that shot ,it's given you information for a future shot.
Just experiment, if you are using stun and coming too wide with the cue ball hit the white half a tip higher and see the different reaction, make a little mark on the table with your chalk so you play the white from the same place, and just go up and down the centre line of the white and watch how the white works.

[Scott M]

Thank you for the quick responses.

Sorry the angle is probably a bit out, but basically was trying to get across that I never finish high enough to have an angle on the reds to get back on the black.

I think the stun option sounds more safe for my level than having to hit a top spin with the correct pace, so will give that a go next time I practice.

Is there a specific routine to practice those stun shots around the black, or should I just keep playing this shot until I can consistently get position?

And I will experiment with putting a tiny bit of check side on. Should be on the practice table again tomorrow.

Wish I had just posted about this earlier tbh, been tearing my hair out for 3 practice sessions unable to play this shot when seems I was playing the wrong type of shot all along. -.- Waste of money/time...

[itsnoteasy]

Aye that's why I wasn't too sure of the angle for the follow through shot Terry ,the diagram ,it looked a bit wrong to me
I would add, learn how to play stun shots around that area, they are invaluable .

[Terry Davidson]

I think the diagram misrepresents the shot. It looks to me like the cueball is midway between the black and pink and about 15" from the centreline of the table. There is no way the cueball could come that close to the top pocket on a run-through.

From the angle I see this is a straight run-through shot with no side to come off the top cushion and be on any of the reds. If you don't like that method then use the method itsnoteasy describes above to stun the white off the top cushion and get any of the reds into the same pocket as the black. I prefer the stun shot as you can hit the cueball a little harder on the black whereas the run-through is quite a soft shot if the cushions play well.

Terry

[itsnoteasy]

My immediate thought when I saw that shot was ,it's an above centre stun shot, say if the middle of the white is five ,hit just above say at six, this will send the white off the bottom Cush and back up the same side you are on but not too wide(if you play it centre or just below I think the white would throw too wide) this should not be hit too hard but must be a stun shot.
Maybe another way (but I'm not sure of the angle here) is play it with top but at height sixish and just play a nice plain ball shot through the white, this will not give as much spin and the white will come up the other side, Some may say this could be played with a bit of check side but I don't know what level you are at.
By the way your playing with a blue ball that's far to big lol.

[Scott M]

Got comfortable with my potting and playing screw so decided to move onto putting that into practice.

Been doing a 3 red line-up between pink and black (as recommended by Neilmaxman) however this one shot is always where I break down.

The line of the shot is shown in pink in Diagram 1.

I usually play with topspin to try to get back onto the reds, however the path the cue ball takes is shown in yellow in Diagram 2. As you can see, I am not on the reds.

How should I play this type of shot to get position?

Thank you.


Diagram 1: the line of the shot, shown in pink


Diagram 2: the line of the shot (pink) and the path of the cue ball (yellow)

[DandyA]

Blimey that's a great vid!!

yeah but he didn't have a foot on the floor and there was possibly more than one brown spot on the table after he'd finished ... love the way he celebrates though ...

[RocketRoy1983]

Blimey that's a great vid!!

[DandyA]

gosh, you've got a good memory RR ... so much better than mine ...

Roy Jnr eh? bet he's a handful, what's his cue action like and what's his high break at the moment? I might put a bet on for the 2027 World Championship

is he as good as this little chap ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=...ture=endscreen

[RocketRoy1983]

There was me, you, nam, thaison, 1lawyer and johnfromlondon. Great chats til silly o clock. What's happened to the chat function anyway??

I remember your a Davis fan of course. I stayed away from the forum for a while as I started wearing glasses and it has messed my game up for good. Was very upset for a few months as I couldn't play the game I've played since I was a kid. I just can't see the edge of the ball from further than 3/4 feet and its killing me to be honest with you.

Still I've got a little boy now called Roy Jnr who is 14 months so hopefully he can take over in a few years although no pressure on him of course.