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Idea for referees putting the balls back correctly
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Originally Posted by jrc750 View PostI think the ref should of told him straight, either help out or play from here, i'm in charge not you !!
It frustrates me no end when a ref struggles to replace a single ball. It's not rocket science."Kryten, isn't it round about this time of year that your head goes back to the lab for retuning?"
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IMO, the easiest way to do it, would be to give the refs a tablet. When the balls need to be replaced, they overlay the two images:
(1) where the balls were originally
(2) their current positions
It's then very easy for the ref to hold the tablet, and then move the ball carefully until it completely covers the ball in their overlayed image.
This is kind of what they do now with the markers trying to tell the ref where to put them. So, just cut out the middle man: the ref picks up the tablet, looks at the two images, and puts the balls back perfectly as they were with a screen right in front of his or her eyes.
It's easy for them to send this feed to the tablet...the current live view, with the positions just before the miss on screen as well.
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Idea for referees putting the balls back correctly
"tablet" I chatted with a top referee at Welsh Open last year about the use of a tablet that they can bring to the table, he said it had been discussed and tested but the gloves hinder a slick operation.
Who knows, it may come back as I think it could be the way to go.
Also many years ago I said on TSF that a system of laser/light to project directly onto the bed should be possible
as said above it probably cost a lot to develop and probably "hire".
even the system they have now costs WS hence it is not available on every table.
I do think that some referees do rely on the current system a bit too muchUp the TSF! :snooker:
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I guess you could have overlays and all sorts of electronic freeze data to help the Ref to replace the balls after ball put back. Maybe the worry is how far do you go? Already the ref can call on the booth guys to assist in telling where the balls were and just go from there. Yes, its not very exact and bit sloppy, but thats how the game always was- subjective at times. Same with "best to the players ability" when negotiating out of a snooker. Ref has to make calls on how good a player is. On TV at the highest level, it seems unless you hit the ball, miss is called 99% of the time.
They probably want to resist to much "help" to the ref or why have him out there- just let a robot or "eye" in the sky do it all and probably will one day as things get automated so much as now we see. Anyway, the whole miss and pit back and all that is always a nightmare for ref and players, sad as its such a precise game and hopefully will live into the future as people move away from these sports towards "computers" and all that offers now. hmm...
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I have noticed that referees do not seem to have a consistent form of hand signals indicting the movement of the ball required; this makes for delay as well with all the "do you mean this way?"
Have a "highway code of hand signals for markers/referees"
Hand pointing up - "away from the marker" (towards baulk as seen on TV)
Hand pointing down - "towards the marker"
Hand left/right - in that direction.
Hand stays in position - continue to move the ball.
Palm towards the referee - stop, done.
Up the TSF! :snooker:
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Originally Posted by DeanH View PostI have noticed that referees do not seem to have a consistent form of hand signals indicting the movement of the ball required; this makes for delay as well with all the "do you mean this way?"
Have a "highway code of hand signals for markers/referees"
Hand pointing up - "away from the marker" (towards baulk as seen on TV)
Hand pointing down - "towards the marker"
Hand left/right - in that direction.
Hand stays in position - continue to move the ball.
Palm towards the referee - stop, done.
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This conversation has had a few go rounds. One of the times that it was discussed, my suggestion was not well received (other than by one person).
Why not make full use of the ball marker the referee already has. All he would have to do is mark the cue balls’ original location. The guess work in replacing the ball would be eliminated. This could even be done for a ball that is close to the ball on.
People replied that all this marking would slow the players’ rhythm down. It would take all of maybe 5 seconds to mark a ball. When there is a disagreement on the placement of the ball, how much time does that take?
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