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**ryanah147** · 2 September 2010, 12:42 PM

Im sure you should have no trouble getting one of these middle pocket plates from any billiards house in the UK, in fact I had a few of them up to quite recently. Peradons sells sets of these, but are very slightly shaped differently to your sample. Im sure Geoff or any of the other billiard fitters on the site would be able to accommodate you, failing that try Thurstons in Liverpool.

**BrendanC** · 2 September 2010, 01:36 PM

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I did order what I thought would be replacement pocket plates from peradon but on receipt they would not seat neatly into the rail. But another problem which I don't think can be overcome is the on center measurement from bolt hole to bolt hole of new plate is 14.5cm and old is 15cm.

**Geoff Large** · 2 September 2010, 08:50 PM

The pocket plate would not be hard to locate , from most scrap bin's of billiard fitters , they jusy may have one lurking in there , but its the missing legs that is the main concern , it is a tulip leg designed table , and most of the Billiard table makers produced one or two of these so the make could be anyones , but at a guess I would say Burroughs and watts pre 1890 . and it is a Guess .
It has a fair few segments to the tulip leg , like an orange segment if you get my meaning . some manufacturers produced the legs with less segments others such as George wright with many segments .

Missing legs , it is not straight forward as you have a left and right end leg , so if a leg is missing which one is it , one that fits to left of end or one to right ? standing at polished side of course .
if it is a middle leg that is missing , then will a replacement fit the Gap of the side frame ?
also will bolt holes line up from one table another some have two bolts others just one on each face of the leg .
getting an exact match will be almost impossible .
alternative have some made over there to match or ship a whole frame out to you .
I am afraid it would be better to try and buy a complete frame with legs , the cushions are salvagable , and if the slates are ok and you have all the bolts , then it is just the top plate that is stopping you completing the top of the the table .

J.M manderson would be the Bench Fitter joiner or cabinet maker who at least made the cushions , but it may have been another Joiner who made the frame , the legs would have been turned by another craftsman , so you see Manderson would be one of many people who worked on this table as an employee of the table manufacturer , and it is not uncommon for Bench fitters to stamp their name into the cushions from many of differant firms . And I often come across them on Orme and Thurston tables , plus George wright .

A photo of the end cushion where the manufactorers name plate would have been may help to identify the maker .
a measurement of the pocket plate with total lenth / width of the centre section / and the center of hole measurements you say 15cm ? / plus the width of the fingers and lenth of the fingers that rebate into the cushion capping (Rail capping in USA )
the heat will also have deterioated the Cushion rubber , strip the cloth off and inspect the rubber for signs of cracking / hardness / or too soft .

Geoff

**BrendanC** · 4 September 2010, 04:27 PM

The legs that are missing are both from the center, I'm having a wood turning company make two copies. The legs will then be passed on to a carver to finish any hand carving details that the machines are unable to duplicate. I've already fabricated the upper blocks of the legs and stained to match. The unknown here is will the new legs darken with age.
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I thought it might be easier to make a drawing of the pocket plates w/ measurements than try and verbalize the components.
One of the rail veneers was separating, it looks to be a variety of rosewood. This type of wood tends to have a lot of oils which makes gluing or applying certain finishes difficult. This may explain the drastic failure of the rails varnish while the rest of the table finish was only in moderate distress.
AND one of the slates is cracked. I have a friend who owns a slate mine in Brazil and he suggested that it may be possible to mend the slate using a glue. I've never tried this so I'm open to suggestions.

**strongbone** · 4 September 2010, 04:47 PM

You got mm and cm mixed up

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