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  • #16
    It looks like a Karnhem Hillman Buckingham model. Nice table but not that valuable.

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    • #17
      Originally Posted by DeanH View Post

      From Hubble&Freeman's website they do not do this six-legged table anymore, so it may be old-ish.
      Valuable - ?
      Yeah I did have a quick look on there website and I couldn't see it either, so that's what made me think they could be right and it was valuable......

      Originally Posted by maryfield View Post
      It looks like a Karnhem Hillman Buckingham model. Nice table but not that valuable.
      Cheers, maryfield thanks for the info bud.......
      Winner of 2011 Masters Fantasy game......
      Winner of 2011 World Championship Fantasy game.......

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      • #18
        It may have a hubble and freeman makers plate on the table , but sorry to have to be the informant here , that table was made by Karnhem and Hillman . leg design is called the Buckingham model with scrolls .
        it is the same old story of rebranding another makers table , was there another plate on the other cushion , if not they have been naughty and removed the plate to rebrand it , if not then they are informing they are the supplier but the manufacturer is K&Hillman .

        Value wise this table looks like a 8ft table and therfore on the secondhand market worth more then a full size , a full sized version of this table sold last week on ebay for £350 .
        the legs are identical buttons on cushions to hide bolt holes , but i think this one did not have the scrollson they could be ordered in differant guises , tulip buckingham leg , turned plain leg , and square leg , all with or without scrolls .

        8ft worth around £1250 to £1500



        the 9ft could be worth around £1500 to £2500 on the secondhand market . becaue they are rare to find . 10fts even rarer .



        Originally Posted by coomsey76 View Post
        Hi,

        One of my girlfriend's best friends recently got married and the brides parents held the reception in there back garden......

        I went to use the toilet inside the house and I stumble across this......

        [ATTACH=CONFIG]8461[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]8462[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]8463[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]8464[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]8465[/ATTACH]

        I was wondering if anybody had any info on this table, cause I was told it was quite valuable.....

        Cheers
        Last edited by Geoff Large; 1 October 2011, 10:09 AM.
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        • #19
          Originally Posted by Geoff Large View Post
          It may have a hubble and freeman makers plate on the table , but sorry to have to be the informant here , that table was made by Karnhem and Hillman . leg design is called the Buckingham model with scrolls .
          it is the same old story of rebranding another makers table , was there another plate on the other cushion , if not they have been naughty and removed the plate to rebrand it , if not then they are informing they are the supplier but the manufacturer is K&Hillman .

          Value wise this table looks like a 8ft table and therfore on the secondhand market worth more then a full size , a full sized version of this table sold last week on ebay for £350 .
          the legs are identical buttons on cushions to hide bolt holes , but i think this one did not have the scrollson they could be ordered in differant guises , tulip buckingham leg , turned plain leg , and square leg , all with or without scrolls .

          8ft worth around £1250 to £1500



          the 9ft could be worth around £1500 to £2500 on the secondhand market . becaue they are rare to find . 10fts even rarer .
          Thanks for the info Geoff.

          I don't know if the table had anymore name plates on it, but then again I wasn't looking so it have have been on the other side but that's interesting I never knew that kind of thing went on!!

          I pretty sure it was a 8ft table..... So it wasn't worth as much as they were telling me then!!
          Winner of 2011 Masters Fantasy game......
          Winner of 2011 World Championship Fantasy game.......

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          • #20
            No the table new would be around £1750 from k&hillman .

            thats in 8ft form and made around late 1980s early 1990s

            They may have paid top dollar for it though if bought from a top end seller such as Hamiltons or Sir william Bentley billiards , but the majority of table sellers would value it as I have done , based on tables that have sold in the past 10 years , and if we had one of these in stocl £1750 would be the tops we could achieve for it fully installed and delivered .

            Ive come across tables that customers have paid upwrds of £4000 for a 9ft , and the table was shocking at that price worth no more than £1500 workmanship was also poor no better thana DIY job , you realy have to be carefull when buying tables and get as many photo.s and prices then look at what you are actualy getting for youre money , spmetimes a fancy selling name is just a tool for asking top dollar , one firm I have come across and it is very obvious who it is use's a name that is shall we say misleading as to it's right to use it , and I would gladly put my own workmanship up against its fiiters for comparison and have no worries as to the outcome.
            but what realy shocks me is the prices they charge , the customer not knowing what they are buying are too excited at the table with it.s freshly fitted cloth looking good to the eye , it,s only when they see its faults some weeks later that they know they have been tucked up , we have a job on at the moment to put one of these tables in a saleable condition and then resupply a better product to them , but having paid £4000 for the table they will only get at the most £1500 for it as a private sale , and the table we have quoted to renew it with is just £1750 , we are not interested in the other table though so no part exchange .

            I can say though from experience that K&hillman tables are made to a good standard , only faults are legs splitting , and 8fts are rare to find . But it is not worth no more than the price I have quoted . I suppose for insurance valuation £2500 to replace it taking into account vat and fitting delivery etc .

            Geoff
            Last edited by Geoff Large; 2 October 2011, 08:44 PM.
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