Why isn't the Trump technique and Set-up now the Textbook Standard?

[Master Blaster]

I've been experimenting with the Trump set-up (stance), left shoulder right down, looser grip, sighting with one eye (R) and cue delivery. When it works you feel like a god of snooker, such a buzz. The accuracy is incredible and the balls look different and bigger (not sure why) and the power is unreal. The cue goes through so far and so smoothly with very few jumping balls (suggesting the hit is very clean). I can screw twice the length of the table, stun is huge and top spin a revelation.

So the big question for me is why isn't this being taught as the de facto approach for players?

[goku]

you can screw twice the length of the table 24 feet?

[jrc750]

Maybe he means a pool table

[jonny66]

Or maybe viagra

[Master Blaster]

you can screw twice the length of the table 24 feet?

Correct. It's a medium fast cloth but not a 6811 comp or anything. It's all down to the timing and how far you get through the ball. That's what this experiment has taught me, that I already knew but there's nothing like seeing to believe. And to my surprise I hit the ball less hard but flew through it like. This is impossible with other set-ups. I haven't tried the Robbo set-up a lot so I will leave that one aside, as Robbo has terrific cue power and accuracy as well. But both players have a foot forward of the anchor foot. In the Trump set-up the back shape if very different and feels different, more supine can I call it? Maybe Terry can advise why this helps and why the cue is so much more under the chest?

[bolton-cueman]

I've been experimenting with the Trump set-up (stance), left shoulder right down, looser grip, sighting with one eye (R) and cue delivery. When it works you feel like a god of snooker, such a buzz. The accuracy is incredible and the balls look different and bigger (not sure why) and the power is unreal. The cue goes through so far and so smoothly with very few jumping balls (suggesting the hit is very clean). I can screw twice the length of the table, stun is huge and top spin a revelation.

So the big question for me is why isn't this being taught as the de facto approach for players?

because you've just dreamt it.

screw a ball 24 feet? lol

[Master Blaster]

because you've just dreamt it.

screw a ball 24 feet? lol

A new video will follow soon to show this is possible. What will you say then? lol

The important thing dear blackburn is what about the Trump technique, is this the set-up that should be taught to all kids and every player by every coach?

[biffer]

I think the TRUMP technique/style is for the more natural player, the more methodical players will always be more robotic. i dont think this technique/style can be adopted by everyone.

[Master Blaster]

I think the TRUMP technique/style is for the more natural player, the more methodical players will always be more robotic. i dont think this technique/style can be adopted by everyone.

Thanks for the intelligent reply. I know what you're saying. I trained the Davis way for a long time and then switched over to foot pointing out and now this Trump style. It's something that would probably take six months to feel right but then my mind and body are quite fluid now, not so robotic as say, like a couple of years ago. The big thing for me is not so much the stance as the back and the left shoulder right down with the arm stretching forward, that's something very different.

[bolton-cueman]

A new video will follow soon to show this is possible. What will you say then? lol

The important thing dear blackburn is what about the Trump technique, is this the set-up that should be taught to all kids and every player by every coach?

if you can provide a video of you screwing the ball 24ft I'll donate £50 to a charity of your choice.

I'll give you until Sunday. Deal?

[Master Blaster]

You got £50?! Would a charity get 50p?

I'm still waiting to see you do my challenges on video, 2mths and counting..............

[Terry Davidson]

Correct. It's a medium fast cloth but not a 6811 comp or anything. It's all down to the timing and how far you get through the ball. That's what this experiment has taught me, that I already knew but there's nothing like seeing to believe. And to my surprise I hit the ball less hard but flew through it like. This is impossible with other set-ups. I haven't tried the Robbo set-up a lot so I will leave that one aside, as Robbo has terrific cue power and accuracy as well. But both players have a foot forward of the anchor foot. In the Trump set-up the back shape if very different and feels different, more supine can I call it? Maybe Terry can advise why this helps and why the cue is so much more under the chest?

It's just the boxer stance which Joe Davis used in the 40's. Remember he used to wear out his tie after an evening of playing because he used a large windsor knot. As far as I can tell there's nothing 'special' or different about Trumps technique.

The other thing is if I put the green on spot with the cueball about 2ft behind it (a little off-straight) I can easily screw down to the top cushion and back out to the side cushion around the pink level but that is only around 12-13ft on a decent 6811 cloth but I just don't have the technique to screw a ball 24ft and I find that totally amazing but outside of the WOW factor it's not much practical value is it?

[Master Blaster]

It's just the boxer stance which Joe Davis used in the 40's. Remember he used to wear out his tie after an evening of playing because he used a large windsor knot. As far as I can tell there's nothing 'special' or different about Trumps technique.

The other thing is if I put the green on spot with the cueball about 2ft behind it (a little off-straight) I can easily screw down to the top cushion and back out to the side cushion around the pink level but that is only around 12-13ft on a decent 6811 cloth but I just don't have the technique to screw a ball 24ft and I find that totally amazing but outside of the WOW factor it's not much practical value is it?

Yes Terry, that is a good way to do it ;-) Obviously, with Judd's technique power can be doubled up so you'd get to two lengths no bother. The key factor is the power alone, being able to take on those shot to nothings down the rail and screw back instead of playing a safety shot, or screwing the pink in the middle and screwing back off three cushions to centre table for a red. It's not the power per se but what it can be used for. Obviously, Robbo is using this power to great advantage and Trump has had a great season as well. One thing I would say is that I hear what you are saying but I call this the hybrid stance because Judd is still anchor foot in line not foot pointing out boxer. Is this where the accuracy comes from, by having a great body and head alignment?

Thanks for the reply btw.

[ADR147]

if you can provide a video of you screwing the ball 24ft I'll donate £50 to a charity of your choice.

I'll give you until Sunday. Deal?

I think I would match that bet, I can pot a blue and screw back off the top cushion and get back to the reds which is maybe 12-14 feet and I am very good at that sort of shot. I might try setting it up on thursday and see how far it can be done but 24 feet is hitting off two cushions and I don't think I have ever seen that done on a snooker table.

[Master Blaster]

I think I would match that bet, I can pot a blue and screw back off the top cushion and get back to the reds which is maybe 12-14 feet and I am very good at that sort of shot. I might try setting it up on thursday and see how far it can be done but 24 feet is hitting off two cushions and I don't think I have ever seen that done on a snooker table.

Blue? Why not the off-straight green as Terry says? It's not difficult, Judd can do it so if you adopt the same set-up, so can anyone. It's not magic, it's just getting through the ball as quickly and smoothly and as far as possible.

Anyway, stuff all that, what about the technique, have you tried it?