Sidespin on a snooker table both with and against the nap

[blahblah01]

I didn't see that on Barry's videos and I'm quite surpised he would say that as most pros don't use helping side as a matter of course but will use it on a shot where they thing the contact needs to be thicker or thinner. Or at least I've never seen that. vmax is a player who prefers to use helping side and so did Willie Thorne.

From about 2 mins in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L6P6jGfefI

[Terry Davidson]

Yeah, I think the "non-helping" (ie not making angle bigger) is something I do subconciously or from experience to get the pot and CB positioning. Tbh, I have tended to struggle with this, but had never thought of it for that example, while I use "helping side" quite a lot now - well, especially after a few hours potting with side as opposed to angle from over 100 pages ago of this thread

Also as Barry S mentioned something about Pro's going a bit thicker and a bit of helping side, so the contact is fuller, meaning better CB control and less pace......

I didn't see that on Barry's videos and I'm quite surpised he would say that as most pros don't use helping side as a matter of course but will use it on a shot where they thing the contact needs to be thicker or thinner. Or at least I've never seen that. vmax is a player who prefers to use helping side and so did Willie Thorne.

[travisbickle]

I consider myself to be an accomplished player just like you do of yourself and you know damned well we would both go for your shot in your video. Why are you bringing this up again? I already said I would normally pot it with running side.

Jason:

I couldn't find the post but somewhere you asked me to start sort of a vlog on snooker techniques and tactics and I was thinking of doing that until this string came along. I'm not willing to put myself out there as a whipping boy to be harassed, ridiculed, called monumentally stupid and all the rest of the trash talk especially from a (British) pool player who knows diddley squat about snooker. Not even aware normal snooker practice when using side is to compensate with aim rather than pivot the cue because he saw pivoting the cue 'proven' in an American video.

The sad thing is SIT probably actually exists, but under very precise and strict conditions and totally useless to snooker players, however these 2 pool players have tried to fold bending the cueball into the potting position into the SIT umbrella. It's very disappointing to see snooker players like Oma and Ramon getting sucked into this belief that SIT is the only reason they can pot a partially obstructed ball. Believe what you want but I don't believe SIT is a part of that because snooker players have been doing it for decades (but of course not calling it SIT). Cueball throw-off and curve is not a part of SIT and never has been.

I find it disappointing snooker players would rather believe someone like Hello Mr. Big Shot and Travis and are gullible enough to consider bending a cueball to be part of the SIT debate. I believe it's not a part of that at all despite the photos Ramon pushes out there 'proving' it. All snooker players need to know is it can be done and they can do it without knowing the physics behind it. Who cares?

So no vlog with people around who prefer to insult rather than debate.

lol I can feel your pain Tel!
Must be awful for your pride that a couple of pool players know more about this then you do!
Still waiting for my slow mo vid from either you or vmax to prove your theory of bending CBs into BOB btw???

[blahblah01]

yes i think so, as you can see above by making the black it gives a great chance to go on and make a frame winning contribution..
knowing what the effects the cb can have on the ob will also underline the importance of finding the core of the white for most shots a player gets down for.

Yeah, I think the "non-helping" (ie not making angle bigger) is something I do subconciously or from experience to get the pot and CB positioning. Tbh, I have tended to struggle with this, but had never thought of it for that example, while I use "helping side" quite a lot now - well, especially after a few hours potting with side as opposed to angle from over 100 pages ago of this thread

Also as Barry S mentioned something about Pro's going a bit thicker and a bit of helping side, so the contact is fuller, meaning better CB control and less pace......

[Ramon]

Hang on Biggie, going back to Selby... the guy didn't start out as a pool player, that sir is a huge myth.

He started playing pool when he was 8 years old , hotshot !! went to play snooker when he was 9 years old.

[Terry Davidson]

without getting too technical tel, say if your on a straight black and you can only see 3/4 of it do you go for it or not? if not why not?

I consider myself to be an accomplished player just like you do of yourself and you know damned well we would both go for your shot in your video. Why are you bringing this up again? I already said I would normally pot it with running side.

Jason:

I couldn't find the post but somewhere you asked me to start sort of a vlog on snooker techniques and tactics and I was thinking of doing that until this string came along. I'm not willing to put myself out there as a whipping boy to be harassed, ridiculed, called monumentally stupid and all the rest of the trash talk especially from a (British) pool player who knows diddley squat about snooker. Not even aware normal snooker practice when using side is to compensate with aim rather than pivot the cue because he saw pivoting the cue 'proven' in an American video.

The sad thing is SIT probably actually exists, but under very precise and strict conditions and totally useless to snooker players, however these 2 pool players have tried to fold bending the cueball into the potting position into the SIT umbrella. It's very disappointing to see snooker players like Oma and Ramon getting sucked into this belief that SIT is the only reason they can pot a partially obstructed ball. Believe what you want but I don't believe SIT is a part of that because snooker players have been doing it for decades (but of course not calling it SIT). Cueball throw-off and curve is not a part of SIT and never has been.

I find it disappointing snooker players would rather believe someone like Hello Mr. Big Shot and Travis and are gullible enough to consider bending a cueball to be part of the SIT debate. I believe it's not a part of that at all despite the photos Ramon pushes out there 'proving' it. All snooker players need to know is it can be done and they can do it without knowing the physics behind it. Who cares?

So no vlog with people around who prefer to insult rather than debate.

[j6uk]

its this shot, tel you trying to forget about it already? i walk around this shot in the video showing every conceivable angle. this 3/4 ball pots straight? can you see bob?

Hmmmm (the thinking one) I only use it to "create" angle ie hitting the OB fuller and throwing (for want of a better word) off line into the pocket. Maybe that is because I only "see" those ones: but this is definitely worth practicing....

yes i think so, as you can see above by making the black it gives a great chance to go on and make a frame winning contribution..
knowing what the effects the cb can have on the ob will also underline the importance of finding the core of the white for most shots a player gets down for.

[Terry Davidson]

I reckon that we can get at least another 50 pages on when a player should start using side to pot

No, I would rather let the new players learn for themselves the dangers of using side excessively but then again, except for the league players, there are no match players on here are there so suffering a loss through using side too much would never be a problem for most players on here. I hadn't thought of that before.

[Terry Davidson]

Hang on Biggie, going back to Selby... the guy didn't start out as a pool player, that sir is a huge myth.

Sorry Tom, ignore my last remark

[Terry Davidson]

I'm not sure if Barry Stark or someone close to him follows this thread, but he released a video about a week ago that explains a lot about what happens when playing these kind of shots. I think the most important thing is the right pace, which Barry mentions in the video.

https://youtu.be/edQIbjdFCms?t=228

I believe Barry is concentrating more on off-centre striking than anything else here. He has focused on the most important aspect of cueing and he says something that is true in that you can hear a slightly different sound when you cue off centre which is hard to describe but actually happens.

[Terry Davidson]

Hang on Biggie, going back to Selby... the guy didn't start out as a pool player, that sir is a huge myth.

This cannot be possible. Biggie got something wrong and believed the propaganda? He said that about Selby to me on the other string.

[tomwalker147]

Hang on Biggie, going back to Selby... the guy didn't start out as a pool player, that sir is a huge myth.

[blahblah01]

Here we go again

[snari]

I'm not sure if Barry Stark or someone close to him follows this thread, but he released a video about a week ago that explains a lot about what happens when playing these kind of shots. I think the most important thing is the right pace, which Barry mentions in the video.

https://youtu.be/edQIbjdFCms?t=228

[blahblah01]

Glad you're having fun with the knowledge you have learnt recently snari
Don't tell Terry though as you'll get me/Big Shot into trouble, you being a beginner and all!

I reckon that we can get at least another 50 pages on when a player should start using side to pot