Kevin DeRoo cue maker

[poolqjunkie]

Gun drilling would be a much better option in my humble opinion. You also need to deal with the heat when you bore that deep.

[narl]

I I guess I have to consider myself lucky I was able to make a snooker room in the basement without having to share it with one of her glass cutters.

Terry

Must be a pretty big basement to say the least

[Terry Davidson]

I have a Northwest cue here which weighs around 17oz and has no butt socket. I added 1.5oz of lead tape around the balance point and it actually played (for me anyway) quite well and I basically got the cue for free so I will experiment with that one and if I screw it up then no big deal.

My wife has a nice drill press but it's not high enough to take a 1pc cue and an 18" bit so I will have to use a vice and a hand drill plus I'm going to start with a bit which is under 1/2" and go very carefully and slowly. Luckily the Northwest does not have an ebony butt however I have a MAC cue here which was supposed to be over 17oz but came in at 16.4oz which is way too light but again it plays quite well when I weighted it up to over 18oz with the lead tape so that will be project #2. The problem is it has a butt socket so I will have to remove that first and I don't have any kind of removal tool outside of finding a long bolt which will fit the socket and then heating it up and trying to turn it out. That should be a challenge for me.

I have no ambitions to be a cuemaker since my wife has taken all the room not only in her own workshop, but also in the basement and the garage with her glass art, so there would be no room for me to set one up. I guess I have to consider myself lucky I was able to make a snooker room in the basement without having to share it with one of her glass cutters.

Terry

[DWOT]

Will these tips be available in sizes over 10mm? Think my Mannock thats geting referruled is around 10.5-10.7.

You'll have to splice two of them together!

[narl]

Will these tips be available in sizes over 10mm? Think my Mannock thats geting referruled is around 10.5-10.7.

[DeanH]

as for tips, yes, good news. my little run out yesterday proved to me i am onto something.
but it's not just the tips, i have something else up my sleeve
i'll be posting some more info in a separate thread soon.

what a tease
cannot wait to find out

[DWOT]

ok, lets call it a misunderstanding.

yes, i was questioning, but only cos i did not quite understand what was being said.

pqj actually confused issues when he mentioned 'prongs'. he has since explained what he meant to me and now kevin has cleared up my query about the length of his ebony butts.

also, i was puzzled that i asked specifically about ebony length but was given an answer about the way butterfly spliced and hand spliced are made and the way they affect weight. i know this of course, and had already explained to terry in an earlier post almost exactly the same information.

i was just curious about the length. so i have no further questions nor any particular interest in this matter.

as for tips, yes, good news. my little run out yesterday proved to me i am onto something.

but it's not just the tips, i have something else up my sleeve

i'll be posting some more info in a separate thread soon.

Fair play chap, very intriguing as to what it is you're on to!

p.s. welcome to Kevin, I forgot to say that!

[JasonOwen]

good luck terry, you need to be very careful.

as jason owen can testify, there is a danger of the drill wandering and coming out of the side of cue near splices.

Terry,
You need to think along the lines of a drill bit that is very long (18 inches) and hence very flexible and also you have to understand your drilling through part ebony to start with and then into softer ash.
I came to the conclusion that the grain in the softer ash could possibly cox the flexible drill bit to wander off the true centre.
I looked at the gun barrell bits but havent tried them, may work better with these than conventional drill bits.
Its a tough part of cue making and takes some working out.

[MikeWooldridge]

If I ever get off my butt and start working on these 1pc loser cues I have here I will have to go out and find an 18" drill bit of the right size.

good luck terry, you need to be very careful.

as jason owen can testify, there is a danger of the drill wandering and coming out of the side of cue near splices.

[MikeWooldridge]

LOL, it was the way you came across in your comments and questioning of him that prompted me to make my comments in the first place Mike, as I said maybe it's your way with words or indeed maybe mine...... On another subject, how did your tip discovery pan out in your trials yesterday????? I ask that because I use your supertips and find it be supreme, so if you say you can make it ever better, then that's something to talk about!

ok, lets call it a misunderstanding.

yes, i was questioning, but only cos i did not quite understand what was being said.

pqj actually confused issues when he mentioned 'prongs'. he has since explained what he meant to me and now kevin has cleared up my query about the length of his ebony butts.

also, i was puzzled that i asked specifically about ebony length but was given an answer about the way butterfly spliced and hand spliced are made and the way they affect weight. i know this of course, and had already explained to terry in an earlier post almost exactly the same information.

i was just curious about the length. so i have no further questions nor any particular interest in this matter.

as for tips, yes, good news. my little run out yesterday proved to me i am onto something.

but it's not just the tips, i have something else up my sleeve

i'll be posting some more info in a separate thread soon.

[DWOT]

Btw, dwot, any further insults, do them via pm, don't drag this thread down and spoil Mr Deroos introduction to others.

I am very happy to see Kevin here. A genuine experienced cue maker whose work I have admired for many years.

It's also one more person with an opinion or way of doing things that actually has value cos he knows what he's talking about.

This evens out the balance a bit cos this forum, like all others, is full of unimportant people full of their own self importance, who talk sh*t and spread misinformation.

LOL, it was the way you came across in your comments and questioning of him that prompted me to make my comments in the first place Mike, as I said maybe it's your way with words or indeed maybe mine...... On another subject, how did your tip discovery pan out in your trials yesterday????? I ask that because I use your supertips and find it be supreme, so if you say you can make it ever better, then that's something to talk about!

[Terry Davidson]

MikeW:

Thank you very much for that detailed information on weighting up cues. If I ever get off my butt and start working on these 1pc loser cues I have here I will have to go out and find an 18" drill bit of the right size. This will be after I stretch the cloth on my table which is actually my next project right after I return from Gloucester.

Advantage is in the summer I can do the work outside as I don't have a workshop (my wife with her glass art has the purpose built workshop but I can't use it as I would contaminate the glass - heaven forbid!)

Terry

[MikeWooldridge]

Btw, dwot, any further insults, do them via pm, don't drag this thread down and spoil Mr Deroos introduction to others.

I am very happy to see Kevin here. A genuine experienced cue maker whose work I have admired for many years.

It's also one more person with an opinion or way of doing things that actually has value cos he knows what he's talking about.

This evens out the balance a bit cos this forum, like all others, is full of unimportant people full of their own self importance, who talk sh*t and spread misinformation.

[MikeWooldridge]

maybe it's just your way with words?

Possibly, but I see a couple of simple questions in this case. They're answered now and I have no further questions.

or is it my way with words?

Possibly, but who cares.

I got my answers from Kevin and have no interest in your childish misconceived ramblings

[MikeWooldridge]

MW:
What I can't figure out is how a 1pc cue can be weighted up to over 18oz without adding some weight somewhere,

It can't if it's traditional four point splicing, can if it's butterfly spliced, or machine spliced even, depending on butt length

but if the cuemaker drills a long hole up into the butt behind the butt socket and adds lead wouldn't that still make the cue a little butt-heavy? My WH had a balance point of 16.5" and the only thing I noticed about it was the solid ebony part of the butt seemed to be longer than normal but the actual points were no longer than any other cue.

The points length will make virtually no difference.

There are several ways to get weight well up the butt to create a better balanced 1pc.

I have drilled out weight in old h&o cues that was 18"+ up the butt. These were drilled/bored holes so I assume originally bored out with a simple long series drill or possibly specialist gun drill.

But weight can also be added under the splices during manufacture so a cue could show no signs of hole yet have weight up there.

Your h&o cue definitely had weight, probably around same place around 18".

I think most people, if lucky enough to have used one, agree original h&o cues were very good. The secret is in the balance. 1pc cues can be made 'right' no problem, regardless of butt length, splice length etc..

I realize for a 3/4-butt to be over 18oz and still have a 29mm butt and a shaft that is not overly dense the cuemaker can put lead weight at the 3/4 joint area and still maintain a good balance point, but I'm at a loss to see how it can be done with a 1pc cue.

Not any more