Kevin DeRoo cue maker

[DWOT]

Thanks for your intelligent, well thought out comments.

Did I say intelligent? Sorry, I meant moronic.

Read the thread again, particularly what I actually asked and what I was answered with.

What argument do you see here? With 'any other cue maker'?

Basically, wtf are you talking about?

There is no 'due respect' in calling someone a jerk/knob and it appears the only one wanting to pick an argument is YOU.

If I have more questions for Kevin I'll ask them. If you have something constructive to add to the discussion, do so.

If not, think carefully before you start flaming again.

Yup, somebody needs to empty their sacks more often!

I read it all again and yup, you still come across as a jerk, maybe it's just your way with words?

or is it my way with words?

Who cares, this forum has become a forum for testing your will against others it seems.

[MikeWooldridge]

With all due respect Mike, why are you being a jerk? Seems to me that you just want to pick an argument or just be a knob with any other cue maker on here other than yourself, what's the point in all this? too much testosterone me thinks!

Thanks for your intelligent, well thought out comments.

Did I say intelligent? Sorry, I meant moronic.

Read the thread again, particularly what I actually asked and what I was answered with.

What argument do you see here? With 'any other cue maker'?

Basically, wtf are you talking about?

There is no 'due respect' in calling someone a jerk/knob and it appears the only one wanting to pick an argument is YOU.

If I have more questions for Kevin I'll ask them. If you have something constructive to add to the discussion, do so.

If not, think carefully before you start flaming again.

[DWOT]

Thank you but I never asked.

In fact, didn't I already explain exactly the same thing to Terry?



That's pretty much all I was interested in, thanks for clearing that up.

With all due respect Mike, why are you being a jerk? Seems to me that you just want to pick an argument or just be a knob with any other cue maker on here other than yourself, what's the point in all this? too much testosterone me thinks!

[the montrealer]

hello kevin
welcome 14 years and counting with my 1pc ash ebny/snake branch
rodney

HI Rodney i thought that you were a snookerforum member for a long time welcome cheers leonard

[MikeWooldridge]

But the big difference between butterfly versus 4 point splicing is at the base of the splice (where the bottom of the points meet).
Below the base of 4 point Ebony splicing is shaftwood material and at the base of butterfly splicing is solid Ebony.
This solid Ebony difference can add up to 25 grams of natural weight above the balance point of the cue ,which is
perfect for adding weight and good balance in 1-piece cues.

Thank you but I never asked.

In fact, didn't I already explain exactly the same thing to Terry?

The overall length of our Ebony splices are 23" to 24" from the base of the cue

That's pretty much all I was interested in, thanks for clearing that up.

[poolqjunkie]

Yes the length of the prongs will barley make a difference except for the glue surface area. But the big difference between
butterfly versus 4 point splicing is at the base of the splice (where the bottom of the points meet).
Below the base of 4 point Ebony splicing is shaftwood material and at the base of butterfly splicing is solid Ebony.
This solid Ebony difference can add up to 25 grams of natural weight above the balance point of the cue ,which is
perfect for adding weight and good balance in 1-piece cues.
The overall length of our Ebony splices are 23" to 24" from the base of the cue.
Aproximately 40% of our cues are 4 point splicing .
Kevin

Hi Kevin,

Thank you for the detailed reply. So this long solid ebony butt of your butterfly cues can add about 25 grams (which is a bit less than 1 oz) above the balance point? With a solid ebony butt (without any added weight) isn't the major weight going to be concentrated below the prongs, hence below the balance point?

The Deroo cues I have treid were never butt heavy. They were very well balanced. I just always assumed you have added some weigth may be at werhe the ebony butt joins the shaft. I am suprises that you are saying there is no added weight.

Please correct me if I am wrong, with a very long piece of solid ebony the shaft is going to end further away from the grip hand and is shorter, will this affect the 'feel" of the cue? Again, I am not suggesting your cues feel "dead" as they are not but I am just curious. Your cues usually feel very solid, may be it is because the shaft is shorter and hence firmer?

From what I have seen most 1 piece cues by other cue makers (such as Trevor White, John Parris...etc) feature a much shorter ebony butt length. What kind of difference do you think this difference in length make in terms of playability between your cues and their cues in general?

I notice you keep using "we" and "our" when you refer to your cues may I ask how many workers are working in your workshop?

Thank you very much.

[rodandreel]

hello kevin
welcome 14 years and counting with my 1pc ash ebny/snake branch
rodney

[Kevin DeRoo]

i am aware they are butterfly splice. i was curious about the length of butt/prongs and the statement of making the cue without weight added.

i am also willing to bet that your will hunt 1pc would have some weight in it to get to nearly 19oz.

you say the splices were long, how long do you reckon? ball park compared to normal 1pc cues?

kevin's cues will be solid ebony below the butterfly splice so will be noticeably heavier naturally than your will hunt traditional four spliced cue.

but i fail to see how longer prongs will add much weight. in fact, they will barely make a difference in themselves.

Yes the length of the prongs will barley make a difference except for the glue surface area. But the big difference between
butterfly versus 4 point splicing is at the base of the splice (where the bottom of the points meet).
Below the base of 4 point Ebony splicing is shaftwood material and at the base of butterfly splicing is solid Ebony.
This solid Ebony difference can add up to 25 grams of natural weight above the balance point of the cue ,which is
perfect for adding weight and good balance in 1-piece cues.
The overall length of our Ebony splices are 23" to 24" from the base of the cue.
Aproximately 40% of our cues are 4 point splicing .
Kevin

[ADR147]

lol would be a 3 hour round trip i guess. your stronger hand should be on the wheel really as in racing cars, but in truth i don't really mind which side of the road i drive on or which side of the car the wheel is one it only takes a few seconds to adapt.

[Terry Davidson]

ADR:

Just having you on a little bit. I'm waiting for Trevor to get back to me to see if we can set up a meet at his place. There's a car rental place right next door to the SWSA so it won't be hard to get a rental car for a day. But I figure 70 miles into Wales driving on the wrong side of the road and having to navigate all those roundabouts it will probably take around 2hrs each way and that's if I don't get lost and Google can provide me with accurate driving instructions.

Also, that's if Trevor is in South Wales as I think I remember he said one time on here. Motorway to Cardiff then off into the boonies somewhere I imagine on the A and B roads.

I'm not sure how cheap car rental is over there as here you can get a compact for as little as around $50 (30GBP) per day plus of course all the little extras they tack on. And of course I'm a Nord Americano so they probably charge us more just for having an American (Canadian actually) accent. I'll wear some kind of British T-shirt and mumble a lot and maybe they won't realize but then again I'll have to show my license I guess.

Just have to wait and see what Trevor says.

Yeah...and what he ^^ says (pqj)

Terry

[poolqjunkie]

car hire is not expensive here my friend. oh asnd it is you who drives on the wrong side given that the majority of people are right handed!

I am right handed and I shift gear with my right hand...what is wrong with that?

[ADR147]

ADR:

Jeez, I'm only a poor retired OAP and can't afford the luxury of renting a car It would likely be better (if I happen to have a spare cue by that time) to send the cue to Trevor but I'll have to set that up with him so I can get a quick turn-around on it

Terry

car hire is not expensive here my friend. oh asnd it is you who drives on the wrong side given that the majority of people are right handed!

[Terry Davidson]

ADR:

I forgot to add that you guys also drive on the wrong side of the road and in addition I would probably get lost in your insane roads and rounbabouts (even though I lived there for almost 4 years and owned a car)

Terry

[Terry Davidson]

ADR:

Jeez, I'm only a poor retired OAP and can't afford the luxury of renting a car It would likely be better (if I happen to have a spare cue by that time) to send the cue to Trevor but I'll have to set that up with him so I can get a quick turn-around on it

Terry

[ADR147]

deepscrew:

Actually I'm having 2 cues delivered already to the SWSA (one is an older H&O Black Plate) so I won't have any room for the trip back and besides this is something I want to learn to do myself but I don't have a lathe but I do have a good drill press.

Actually I was thinking of setting up an appointment with TW to see if he can add somewhere around an ounce to my present TW playing cue, which weighs in at 17.6oz or so and I would like to get it up to around 18.5oz if I can. Problem is I won't have a car when I'm over there.

Are there any of the good cuemakers who live close to Gloucester?

Terry

trevor is only 70 miles away. rent a car!