Query regards a player making 2 fouls.

[DeanH]

Thanks for that clarification.

[ste bed]

i thought a player couldnt make a foul if he wasnt in play so as soon as the white wen t in off his turn
had ended.so the pink should have been replaced and the white played from the d and the original
foul 4 should stand.

[cantpotforshíte]

I thought so too ... surely the player's turn ended as soon as he fouled and then the pink being moved comes under 'ball moved by other than striker'

[cantpotforshíte]

5. Striker and Turn
The person about to play or in play is the striker and remains so until the final stroke, or foul, of his turn is complete and the referee is satisfied that he has finally left the table. If a non-striker comes to the table, out of turn, he shall be considered as the striker for any foul he may commit before leaving the table. When the referee is satisfied that the above conditions have been met, the incoming striker’s turn begins. His turn and his right to play another stroke ends when:
(a) he fails to score from a stroke; or
(b) he commits a foul; or
(c) he requests the opponent to play again after his opponent has committed a foul.

[The Statman]

It isn't quite as simple as that, though.

Imagine this: player is cueing at a stroke and as he plays it, he fouls the brown with his sleeve - as you will agree, foul four (assuming going for red). At this point, you are saying, his stroke is at an end and he can no longer be able to be called foul.

But as he gets up from this unfortunate foul, his cue tip touches the pink as he removes himself and it from the table. Surely there is no suggestion that he shouldn't be fouled six points, as he would have been if the actual shot itself had not been called foul?

Remember also, the new sentence confirming that the non-striker, if he should cause disturbance of any balls, will be penalised as if he were the striker. (This would suggest, in the opening scenario, that indeed it should be counted as a second, separate foul and awarded in addition to the original foul for the in-off.)

The rule quoted above has always been at odds with the 'end of stroke' definition which says "... and the referee is satisfied that the player has left the table".

[cantpotforshíte]

5. Striker and Turn
The person about to play or in play is the striker and remains so until the final stroke, or foul, of his turn is complete and the referee is satisfied that he has finally left the table. If a non-striker comes to the table, out of turn, he shall be considered as the striker for any foul he may commit before leaving the table. When the referee is satisfied that the above conditions have been met, the incoming striker’s turn begins. His turn and his right to play another stroke ends when:
(a) he fails to score from a stroke; or
(b) he commits a foul; or
(c) he requests the opponent to play again after his opponent has committed a foul.

Aye, I see what you mean now ... the bold bit here could allow for extra fouls to be comitted after the first one ... It still seems a bit vague though..