Clarification on a Snooker after a free ball ?

[Neil Taperell]

This happened the other night in a league match and i never can remember the correct ruling :

A player has a free ball and nominates the brown [ with only the colours on the table ] , he plays the brown but it comes off a couple of cushions and then ends up in front of the yellow .

Is it a 4 point penalty ?

What if the player had done the same with either blue , pink or black ? Value of the ball nominated ?


Thanks

Neil

[snookdevon]

Yes 4 point penalty even though the brown unintentially blocks the yellow.
As for higher colours the freeball is deemed to be a yellow so 4 point penalty also.

[Neil Taperell]

Thanks for that reply......so it would only be a higher value foul if the only balls left on the table were blue , pink and black then .

[snookdevon]

I believe that to be correct though would only apply on the blue, as the only time you can snooker behind a freeball is when there is only pink and black on the table.

[gazza147]

Yes Neil Snookerdevon is Right you get a Foul 4 if you Nominate a Colour then the Foul is that Value.


Gaz.

[Neil Taperell]

Ah yes......forgot about that !!! that brings me to another question [ This happened in the league match a week before my 1st question ! ] :

Blue , pink and black left . Black hanging over the pocket and a player committed a foul . Ends up that the pink is slightly covering the blue , so it was a free ball .

Can the player then nomiante black and play the blue onto the black ....thus giving him 5 points .

Been playing all these years and these 2 rules just never stick in my head......old age i suppose !

[Gerry Armstrong]

Ah yes......forgot about that !!! that brings me to another question [ This happened in the league match a week before my 1st question ! ] :

Blue , pink and black left . Black hanging over the pocket and a player committed a foul . Ends up that the pink is slightly covering the blue , so it was a free ball .

Can the player then nomiante black and play the blue onto the black ....thus giving him 5 points .

Been playing all these years and these 2 rules just never stick in my head......old age i suppose !

No - if you nominate a free ball that must be the ball you hit first or it's a foul.

[snookdevon]

Think old age kicking in here aswell as that dosnt make sense. Neil

[Gerry Armstrong]

Here is the text from the rules themselves - (b) (i) is the one you're interested in...

12. SnookeredAfteraFoul
After a foul, if the cue-ball is snookered (see Section 2, Rule 17), the referee shall state FREE BALL.
(a) If the player next in turn elects to play the next stroke:
(i) he may nominate any ball as the ball on; and
(ii) any nominated ball shall be regarded as, and acquire the value of, the ball on except that, if potted, it shall then be spotted.

(b) It is a foul if the cue-ball should:
(i) fail to hit the nominated ball first, or first simultaneously with the ball on; or

[Souwester]

The important thing to remember is the definition of a nominated ball, froms Section 2:

12. Nominated Ball
(a) A nominated ball is the object ball which the striker declares, or indicates to the satisfaction of the referee, he undertakes to hit with the first impact of the cue-ball.
(b) If requested by the referee, the striker must declare which ball he is on.

If you have a choice of colours after potting a red, you nominate which colour. If you have a free ball, you nominate which ball you are going for. Nomination is effectively indicating or declaring which ball you will first hit with the cue ball, so you can't hit another ball first to play onto the nominated ball.

This is unlike the situation with a foul snooker in World Rules pool, where if you nominate a free ball it simply becomes onle of your colours for that shot only, thereby allowing you to hit one of your own colours before hitting the free ball.

[Neil Taperell]

Think old age kicking in here aswell as that dosnt make sense. Neil

Yes mate and i'm only 41 !!!!!!

Trying to remember exactly what happened now ........sorry i got it the wrong way round .

If you nominate the black as the free ball [ in this case it is classed as the blue ] , can you pot the black onto the blue for 5 points ?

Got there in the end !

[Gerry Armstrong]

Yes you can do that as long as you hit the Black first.

If you pot both you only score 5 points, the Blue stays down and the Black is re-spotted.

[Souwester]

Yes mate and i'm only 41 !!!!!!

Trying to remember exactly what happened now ........sorry i got it the wrong way round .

If you nominate the black as the free ball [ in this case it is classed as the blue ] , can you pot the black onto the blue for 5 points ?

Got there in the end !

As I said in my last post, the nominated ball is the ball you undertake to hit with the first impact of the cue ball. In a free ball situation the original ball on does not cease to be a ball on, so therefore provided you hit the nominated (free ball - black) first then it is a fair stroke if that then goes on to cause the ball on (blue) to be potted.

If both black and blue are potted, you still opnly score 5 points though, and the black is spotted. The blue would remain off the table, because it has been correctly potted in sequence.

[Neil Taperell]

Excellent ......thanks very much chaps .

[bally969]

Ah yes......forgot about that !!! that brings me to another question [ This happened in the league match a week before my 1st question ! ] :

Blue , pink and black left . Black hanging over the pocket and a player committed a foul . Ends up that the pink is slightly covering the blue , so it was a free ball .

Can the player then nomiante black and play the blue onto the black ....thus giving him 5 points .

Been playing all these years and these 2 rules just never stick in my head......old age i suppose !

blue pink and black on, blue over pocket and you have a free ball you may nominate black, roll it onto pink, to roll pink onto blue, blue stays down after being potted, you can then take pink and black, if pink were to follow blue in, this would be a foul, if you rolled black onto blue [black being your nominated free ball] and they both went in this would be a fair stroke and black would be re spotted and 5 points would be scored.