Ssb - trump's slump

[Byrom]

Some great points on this thread - got to agree with a lot of it - you should all be life coaches or something.

Can't hate the guy even if he seems a bit full of it on twitter at times what's the point in getting people to dislike you or getting their back up as you only inspire them - as someone has already said.

I enjoyed watching that naughty snooker - He was the luckiest player at the worlds that year he got to the final in regards the run of the ball and flukes too as Dave says - but this always happens to players that go for a lot of low percentage shots long shots as you hit the ball that bit harder to try and get a good white - but wow I was there for the tournament and the Higgins final and it was great to watch - like the glory days of Higgins and White.

Maybe he should just have carried on doing that instead of listening to people telling him to do this and do that with safety and match play. Maybe he should just get back to potting everything going for everything and frightening the crap out of everyone?

He has won some big ranking titles so more than a lot of the others have done but if he slows his game down to try and get more consistent and win more - does it really work for him? and if he plays like this with more safety do people watch him as much? - I did not think he was too bad at safety anyway - I mean sometimes -when its going good- players like Ronnie and Judd him have such a high percentage potting wise people often forget to notice the bits when they play safe. He needs to just get back to being himself at the table - as form is temporary and class is permanent as cueman rightly says - he'll be fine- I just wish he'd smile a bit more though - seems like he has the world on his shoulders at times - It would do the game - and the player - no end of good to have a flamboyant showman once more at the top of the game - pity its not him or Ronnie.

Also I would see a shrink about the fashion sense.

[cueman]

No I wasn't aiming it at you or anyone specific but he does seem to get a lot more criticism than any other player on the circuit, a lot of it unwarranted IMO.

Knowing Judd from being a kid he definitely missed out on all the stuff, holidays, nice clothes, cars etc and now he has the opportunity for all of this who can blame anyone for wanting to enjoy life a little. I can see why people think he is not putting in the hours on the practice table but you only live once, he was never going to be a Hendry or Davis where success was the be all and end all. We live in a very different era today, a consumerist lifestyle is what many choose, particularly amongst this young generation, Judd is no different. It could be his downfall but he will grow out of this once he realises what affect it is having on his career. Just needs to grow out of this stage of his life and once he hits 26-27 I think we'll see his best years.

I feel that London and the attractions of a big city life can detract from your snooker. Jimmy suffered because of his lifestyle off the table and that was largely to do with being around London. Judd coming from a quiet somewhat boring area like Bristol was perhaps the reason why he knuckled down to his game because there was little else to do but play snooker. Living near London and being around people with money and prestige, flash cars, watches etc, its bound to suck in a young person in who wants to portray a top sports star image.

Paul Hunter had a very similar lifestyle at Judd's age, he was a very similar type of player and he admitted that he needed to change his lifestyle to get success on the table. Sadly we never saw what he could have been.

[DeanH]

hi cueman
I hope you dont class me as a Judd-hater?
As I am definitely not, or a hater of any player.
I dont think he has decided to give snooker a rest, if he had he probably wouldn't tweek/facebook/or whatever that he wants to win and do a max
The thing is, I would say that EVERY player out there wants to win and do a max.
Yep, your right, many other players have been written off and then bounce back (see Ebdon at the mo, brilliant match yesterday ) and certainly hope he does.
What specifically in London is distracting him? Do you mean to back home (Bristol?) and get "grounded", away from the bright-lights of the OldSmoke?

[cueman]

Oh dear, I see the Judd haters are out in force once again!

So what if he decides to enjoy life off the table more than the other players, that is up to him. You have to counter in the fact that this guy has been winning snooker tournaments regularly since the age of 10. In fact during his junior career he was earning more money than some professional players and sacrificed a lot of his childhood devoting his time to snooker.

Maybe he has decided to give snooker a bit of a rest for a season or two and try and enjoy other things in life, something he hasn't been able to do because of sacrifices to the game.

He has the ability to turn his form around at any time, right now just like Murphy they aren't in the best of form or confidence but you know that one tournament can suddenly turn your whole season around. People were writing Selby and Ding off in the past and look at how they bounced back, form is temporary and class is permanent, Judd will be back but maybe he needs to get out of London because I think that could be the biggest distraction to his game.

[DeanH]

I noticed during the McManus match that Judd did play some fantastic safety and got Angles into some impressive snookers
I think he is maturing in his snooker (shot choice, tactical, etc., and off the table (?)) but others have caught him up and maybe passing him by...
as Neil said, a bit of knuckling down and get some form - how many of us need to say that to ourselves as well

[sberry]

That's more than a bit harsh. He is very talented and a more natural player than most and more comfortable than most on the TV tables and in the limelight. I just think that his game is maybe damaged by the way he operates overall, unlike for example, Ding, Robertson and Selby who would be the top players today that seem to focus 100% on the game only and because of that win consistently and will carry the fear factor for their opponents.

It doesn't actually matter what you do away from the table if you don't tweet the whole world telling them as when you do you run the risk of other people picking up their confidence levels to you as they perceive you to not be focusing fully and in a game that has such fine mental edges that can be a big thing.

[Neil Taperell]

Couldn't agree more, Trump is a fluke artist and anyone with eyes can see how much luck he carries. 'Naughty snooker' more like 'flukey snooker'
To add to that he's an arrogant, petulant, spoiled brat, can't stand the kid. Great potter not a great player!

I will cancel the Subscription to his Fan Club for you

Not my cup of tea either , but hopefully he will mature , knuckle down and show a bit of form .

[Dave Walton]

Trumps attacking game is exciting to watch, so very easy on the eye. But obviously with that attitude to the game you have to pot at levels of 95% or above at all times otherwise you are leaving the door open to your opponents much to often.

Going back to the WC final he reached a couple of seasons ago, he played extremely well with his "naughty Snooker" attitude. But I recall quite clearly how often he went for a wild one and was just hoping for the snooker gods to come to his assistance. Which they did so often I was getting agitated about him having so much luck. When he missed he left a lot of the time absolutely nothing on besides a very difficult safety shot because the reds were split and spread, or he'd get the pot and land completely by chance on a perfect angle for his next ball.

Mark my words or watch reruns on YouTube, "if you play like that and you don't have the run of the ball, you'll find it difficult to stay in the top 64"!

Couldn't agree more, Trump is a fluke artist and anyone with eyes can see how much luck he carries. 'Naughty snooker' more like 'flukey snooker'
To add to that he's an arrogant, petulant, spoiled brat, can't stand the kid. Great potter not a great player!

[Strickimicki]

Trumps attacking game is exciting to watch, so very easy on the eye. But obviously with that attitude to the game you have to pot at levels of 95% or above at all times otherwise you are leaving the door open to your opponents much to often.

Going back to the WC final he reached a couple of seasons ago, he played extremely well with his "naughty Snooker" attitude. But I recall quite clearly how often he went for a wild one and was just hoping for the snooker gods to come to his assistance. Which they did so often I was getting agitated about him having so much luck. When he missed he left a lot of the time absolutely nothing on besides a very difficult safety shot because the reds were split and spread, or he'd get the pot and land completely by chance on a perfect angle for his next ball.

Mark my words or watch reruns on YouTube, "if you play like that and you don't have the run of the ball, you'll find it difficult to stay in the top 64"!

[the nugget]

Oh and just so we are clear, i know they have heated tables and the best cloth....but my god is judds deep screw shot impressive lol

Yes luke but thats about all most people remember him for playing! jimmy was playing those shots and better years before, and Alex before him, both and poorer cloth/table conditions. Still feel his close cue ball control is severely lacking to most of the top players gone by and present, really needs to get it on a much shorter string consistently.

[gavpowell]

Jimmy White

Jimmy used to work with a guy he called his "technical coach" Alan Bell. Alan Bell was interviewed at one stage during I think the world champs about 10 years ago - he came across as paranoid nutcase to be honest, though that's no reflection of his ability as a coach, no doubt.

[Terry Davidson]

Just to emphasize the point about coaches (or Trump's lack of one). Every good player up until now has received coaching in one form or another with the possible exception of the old-time boys like Joe and Fred Davis, Ray Reardon, John Spencer and the rest of that crew. For sure Alex Higgins received coaching, even if it was only very early when he could just see over the cushions.

Steve Davis had his father
Stephen Hendry had his father initially and then later Frank Callan and Chris Henry
Ronnie O'Sullivan has tried every coach there was
Shaun Murphy was coached as a junior
Mark Selby was actually coached by his manager for sure as he credited the manager with changing where he had the tip at address
Cliff Thorburn was coached by a few coaches in Vancouver and Toronto

Frank Adamson has coached a lot of the older pros and also to this day continues to coach pros at the SWSA along with Terry Griffiths who is the house coach there for the 20-odd pros managed by On-Q Promotions (Paul Mount).

I don't know about Mark Allen, Peter Ebdon, Joe Perry, Jimmy White and some of the others but I'd be willing to bet they had someone showing them the ropes when they were young and just starting out.

These days it's very rare to find any pro who has not gone to a coach, be it for improving their technique or for mental coaching.

As was said above, they're all looking for an edge, just like me and a few other players on here looking for 'THE' cue!

Terry

[Byrom]

Everyone goes through a slump in form - he is no different than say Murphy who has had a bit more of a nightmare recently.

Both Trump and Murphy have enough talent to bounce back- they just need to regain the hunger. Selby and Allen have been out of sorts until recently too - Maybe it is also the case that the other players down the order are simply better than many people seem to think too?

Perhaps having a more open format for everyone is not as in favour of the closed ranking system that favoured the top 16 which they used to have in place and these shorter frames make it a bit more of a leveller. Also with more competitions, more players get more match practice and experience and more chance to settle.

[sberry]

Davis and Hendry dominated for so long because they didn't care about anything outside of the game, they put 100% into practicing, preparing, playing and winning, like robots, and their opponents knew it and knew they would probably lose to them.

If you spend time on social media talking to the world about your latest haircut, holidays, Ferrari, nights out with models, shoes, and whatever, you are not putting enough % into the game which is very mental, to dominate for any length of time or scare your opponents.

EPTC6 next and he'll need to win six best of 7 games just to make the last 4, his results this season aren't top 32 material, maybe even top 50 and nobody will be scared of him now, they'll be looking forward to playing him as the underdog with nothing to lose knowing he is not playing well and that his confidence is shot.

It's a good job rankings with this prize money system will cover two seasons, as if it was just one he could be off the radar in six months time.

[luke-h]

Oh and just so we are clear, i know they have heated tables and the best cloth....but my god is judds deep screw shot impressive lol