Judd Trump Set-up

[Big Splash!]

Ok, maybe not the best day to discuss given what happened in Shanghai.

So I'm finishing a session this lunch, got 15mins spare and just messin around, which I like to do, see how many amazin balls I can nail; free sparring I calls it. I'm over the top end hole facing a long red, a foot away, CB 18'' off both cushions, pretty straight. Obvious shot is to play a stop shot and pot the black afterwards. Then I'm wonderin if I can top spin the ball and take the CB off the middle of the baulk cushion and back down, landing on the black. I'm thinking, Ace, you can screw 24ft with your shizzle but top spinin the ball 24ft is a big ask given I generally rake slightly higher than rail height (this helps screw). Ka-ching, play it like Judd! So I gets down in the JT stance, L shoulder down and slightly tucked in, cueing under the sternum and nipple, brushing the hip. And I thought, the shot is easy, simply hit it as smoothly and as hard as you can on the heighest point on the CB without miscueing. And whatever you do Ace, pause the stroke, and look at the OB last!

So that's what I did and man, I nailed that ball and took the CB all the way to the baulk and back to the top cushion, then cut back potted the black in (with the JT set-up again) from the top cushion.

Tried it a few more times and like wow, that's the best travel I've ever had on a CB. Now remember, this is a slowish 6811T not a no.10 so I reckon maybe 30ft+ on a no.10. Tried some stun and run through shots and noticed more travel than usual again.

So the JT set-up is pretty low down; sniper territory. Ran out of time but thinking of trying it out again, next time in the balls, opening the pack, etc. Incredible power?

Has anyone tried the JT set-up and what did you find?

[ace man]

From what you describe, you seem to have divine being like cueing arm. Any limits to your cue power?
About trying to do exact copy of technique/setup from professional players...I've stopped trying to do that long ago because that only made me worse.

[audiandy]

Are you sure you got that reaction on CB with plenty of top spin?

[cally]

If you play to the standard you say then why are things like this going through your head?


"Ka-ching, play it like Judd! So I gets down in the JT stance, L shoulder down and slightly tucked in, cueing under the sternum and nipple, brushing the hip. And I thought, the shot is easy, simply hit it as smoothly and as hard as you can on the heighest point on the CB without miscueing. And whatever you do Ace, pause the stroke, and look at the OB last!"


Why try and play like someone else if you play to such a self proclaimed very good standard?

It just doesn't make sense!

[lennon11]

Ok, maybe not the best day to discuss given what happened in Shanghai.

So I'm finishing a session this lunch, got 15mins spare and just messin around, which I like to do, see how many amazin balls I can nail; free sparring I calls it. I'm over the top end hole facing a long red, a foot away, CB 18'' off both cushions, pretty straight. Obvious shot is to play a stop shot and pot the black afterwards. Then I'm wonderin if I can top spin the ball and take the CB off the middle of the baulk cushion and back down, landing on the black. I'm thinking, Ace, you can screw 24ft with your shizzle but top spinin the ball 24ft is a big ask given I generally rake slightly higher than rail height (this helps screw). Ka-ching, play it like Judd! So I gets down in the JT stance, L shoulder down and slightly tucked in, cueing under the sternum and nipple, brushing the hip. And I thought, the shot is easy, simply hit it as smoothly and as hard as you can on the heighest point on the CB without miscueing. And whatever you do Ace, pause the stroke, and look at the OB last!

So that's what I did and man, I nailed that ball and took the CB all the way to the baulk and back to the top cushion, then cut back potted the black in (with the JT set-up again) from the top cushion.

Tried it a few more times and like wow, that's the best travel I've ever had on a CB. Now remember, this is a slowish 6811T not a no.10 so I reckon maybe 30ft+ on a no.10. Tried some stun and run through shots and noticed more travel than usual again.

So the JT set-up is pretty low down; sniper territory. Ran out of time but thinking of trying it out again, next time in the balls, opening the pack, etc. Incredible power?

Has anyone tried the JT set-up and what did you find?

Haha what a pile of horse manure you are chatting again.

[Big Splash!]

If you play to the standard you say then why are things like this going through your head?


"Ka-ching, play it like Judd! So I gets down in the JT stance, L shoulder down and slightly tucked in, cueing under the sternum and nipple, brushing the hip. And I thought, the shot is easy, simply hit it as smoothly and as hard as you can on the heighest point on the CB without miscueing. And whatever you do Ace, pause the stroke, and look at the OB last!"


Why try and play like someone else if you play to such a self proclaimed very good standard?

It just doesn't make sense!

Because as Ronnie says, there is always room for improvement, you can always learn things about the game from other top players. Ronnie has changed his grip (in this book Running) to improve long ball accuracy, following Judd and Robbo. If the best ever can improve, so can I. To think not would be arrogant and stupid. I think I can make maybe 30-36ft on a Star with a no.10. Don't know what the world record is; anyone know? Top has always been weaker than screw in my game so I wanted a way to sort that out.

My mind is in a fluid place at the mo and maybe that's why I thought of trying it and why it worked. I picked it up in one afternoon. These sort of adjustments can take months but I bagged it in no time. Perfecting it would take longer but it already feels natural, more so than the set-up I've been using for years. The accoustic is so sweet, very clean hit.

Highly recommended and you'll know fast if it's for you. Just don't cue across the ball as Judd does, then correct on the fore stroker, that's just Judd. You don't need to and shoudn't do this. Cue centre.

[cally]

Of course there's always room for improvement, but....... if you play the game as well as you tell us and thus change you're technique altogether to copy a pro player.... I don't get it, it just doesn't make sense to do such a thing when one can play the game so well to start!

Especially when you can screw the ball better than all pro's manage to...

When players 'change' things as you say Ron did, there's subtle differences, not a complete overhaul of ones technique..

Do you plan on playing this way from now on, ya reckon?

[Big Splash!]

Of course there's always room for improvement, but....... if you play the game as well as you tell us and thus change you're technique altogether to copy a pro player.... I don't get it, it just doesn't make sense to do such a thing when one can play the game so well to start!

Especially when you can screw the ball better than all pro's manage to...

Do you plan on playing this way from now on, ya reckon?

I wouldn't have posted the thread unless I was serious about understanding the technique. But like you, I do have my doubts because changing something fundamental such as stance, bridge arm and bridge shouldn't be done likely. Hence why I was keen to listen to the experience of anyone out there who may have taken this set-up on.

But I can't tell you how much cue travel you get with this technique, it's like the CB isn't there at all, the cue just glides smoothly straight through. I've done two sessions with it now and I haven't cued top spin like that in my whole life. It was like playing a different game. I understand how Judd does it now. And screw didn't suffer either, so from that aspect, it's kushdy.

Only had a phone with a narrow angle lens but I did a wee video:

I reckon I could do 30+ ft on a no.10/Star. What I noticed was that even slightly off straight, the CB threw loads to the right when you really get on top spin, a bit of banana or summat. So I'm nearly straight, the CB is hit at the very top, and she goes into the right black rail, then up the table. Lee/Trump can do this to the extreme and the CB does a tango going fwd.

[cally]

I wouldn't have posted the thread unless I was serious about understanding the technique. But like you, I do have my doubts because changing something fundamental such as stance, bridge arm and bridge shouldn't be done likely. Hence why I was keen to listen to the experience of anyone out there who may have taken this set-up on.

But I can't tell you how much cue travel you get with this technique, it's like the CB isn't there at all, the cue just glides smoothly straight through. I've done two sessions with it now and I haven't cued top spin like that in my whole life. It was like playing a different game. I understand how Judd does it now. And screw didn't suffer either, so from that aspect, it's kushdy.

Only had a phone with narrow angle lens but I did a wee video:

I reckon I could do 30+ ft on a no.10/Star.
When players 'change' things as you say Ron did, there's subtle differences, not a complete overhaul of ones technique.

I thought you said 'pretty straight' ..

Come ooonnnnnnnnnn.... that's not a difficult shot to get that reaction with an off straight shot let's be honest, I'm not having a dig but that's not the shot you talked about previously to my mind.

name change to thumper on you're next reincarnation eh!

[markz]

That was same shot as your 24ft screw shot Spasher lol

[Big Splash!]

I thought you said 'pretty straight' ..

Come ooonnnnnnnnnn.... that's not a difficult shot to get that reaction with an off straight shot let's be honest, I'm not having a dig but that's not the shot you talked about previously to my mind.

name change to thumper on you're next reincarnation eh!

About 3-5 degrees off straight for the obvious in-off reason. The CB bananas with extreme top, hits the cushion, then corrects back straight. It can only be understood if you've played it. NO, this is not about hitting the CB HARD. It's about getting through the CB with less force than you'd think. If you hit the top hard, you don't get the spin. It's about using a lot of force but delivering it as smoothly as you can. Open the grip up for this one. If you get tense and whack it, you won't get the travel.

This chap kinda demonstrates it but his shot is less straight than mine so he gets even more banana. It's almost like the CB stun runs into the cushion after contact even though he hits it with top. With plain ball the CB would have hit the cushion closer to the pocket in his shot. It's counter intuitive but that's how extreme spin works on the CB at both ends. It's like the CB travels with top, hit's the OB, then stun runs, then contacts the cushion, then starts spinning fwd again. And that's how it moved for me as well, though with less banana.

At 43secs he plays another top spin (near straight) shot to free the black. Look how much the CB deviates with lots of top spin. I like how his partner is just smilin. Lol.

[cally]

There he goes with his condescending tone..

If I understand! Lol

That was a banana shot was it... one of those freak straight banana's eh! Lol

[vmax4steve]

Ok, maybe not the best day to discuss given what happened in Shanghai.

So I'm finishing a session this lunch, got 15mins spare and just messin around, which I like to do, see how many amazin balls I can nail; free sparring I calls it. I'm over the top end hole facing a long red, a foot away, CB 18'' off both cushions, pretty straight. Obvious shot is to play a stop shot and pot the black afterwards. Then I'm wonderin if I can top spin the ball and take the CB off the middle of the baulk cushion and back down, landing on the black. I'm thinking, Ace, you can screw 24ft with your shizzle but top spinin the ball 24ft is a big ask given I generally rake slightly higher than rail height (this helps screw). Ka-ching, play it like Judd! So I gets down in the JT stance, L shoulder down and slightly tucked in, cueing under the sternum and nipple, brushing the hip. And I thought, the shot is easy, simply hit it as smoothly and as hard as you can on the heighest point on the CB without miscueing. And whatever you do Ace, pause the stroke, and look at the OB last!

So that's what I did and man, I nailed that ball and took the CB all the way to the baulk and back to the top cushion, then cut back potted the black in (with the JT set-up again) from the top cushion.

Tried it a few more times and like wow, that's the best travel I've ever had on a CB. Now remember, this is a slowish 6811T not a no.10 so I reckon maybe 30ft+ on a no.10. Tried some stun and run through shots and noticed more travel than usual again.

So the JT set-up is pretty low down; sniper territory. Ran out of time but thinking of trying it out again, next time in the balls, opening the pack, etc. Incredible power?

Has anyone tried the JT set-up and what did you find?

Notice how 'de plane' makes a big splash, and they're wearing Kirk Stevens suits to welcome him to yet another snooker fantasy

[Catch 22]

That was same shot as your 24ft screw shot Spasher lol

That's what I was thinking . The 24 foot 3/4 ball off a cushion

[ste bed]

About 3-5 degrees off straight for the obvious in-off reason. The CB bananas with extreme top, hits the cushion, then corrects back straight. It can only be understood if you've played it. NO, this is not about hitting the CB HARD. It's about getting through the CB with less force than you'd think. If you hit the top hard, you don't get the spin. It's about using a lot of force but delivering it as smoothly as you can. Open the grip up for this one. If you get tense and whack it, you won't get the travel.

This chap kinda demonstrates it but his shot is less straight than mine so he gets even more banana. It's almost like the CB stun runs into the cushion after contact even though he hits it with top. With plain ball the CB would have hit the cushion closer to the pocket in his shot. It's counter intuitive but that's how extreme spin works on the CB at both ends. It's like the CB travels with top, hit's the OB, then stun runs, then contacts the cushion, then starts spinning fwd again. And that's how it moved for me as well, though with less banana.

At 43secs he plays another top spin (near straight) shot to free the black. Look how much the CB deviates with lots of top spin. I like how his partner is just smilin. Lol.

Are you the player in the vid or the guy he's playing