Sidespin on a snooker table both with and against the nap

[travisbickle]

You can make the black but would never hold the spot as you're cutting the black thinner and CB runs toward baulk. You both have to be wrong according to my experience and watching your videos. In fact on yours where you claimed SIT potted the pink it appeared to me the spin was gone from the CB unless you have a hellish stroke and that
's because it quit bending as it passed by the pink. No spin, no SIT.

I feel like a school teacher talking to a 10 year old when I'm talking to you about this subject

[Terry Davidson]

I'll put the camara right behind the shot so you can see a quarter of the black sticking out just in case you say it's not QB. It will be up on Saturday.

Put the camera over the pocket so we can see CB, OB and pocket along with your cue. If you just show the black and cueball that's no good.

[travisbickle]

The freaking shot was dead-in so why use side at all?

You sure about that?
CB needed to be 3in to the right for a full ball pot.

[Terry Davidson]

So you tried LH side , on the green side, a pink side 3/4 black of its spot. You say you didn't pot the black and CB went on towards the top cush. Is all that correct, Tel.?.

How far was the CB from the black on strike.?.

About 18" or so and I did pot the black except once I overcut it.

[travisbickle]

Duh...who in hell is aiming at BOB. With side you have to compensate on the aiming. When you have a 3/4 black, (this same one) and you want to crank the cueball with top left and power where in hell do you aim. You aim virtually full ball depending on side and power.

If you are hitting BOB you still have no chance, Duh!

[Terry Davidson]

I used right hand side to throw the OB to the left and getting a full ball contact to kill the CB.

The freaking shot was dead-in so why use side at all?

[travisbickle]

You should be. When you do your video hit the black with helping side and you're increasing the cut so more energy remains with the CB. It is impossible to hold the CB with helping side BUT if you and Biggy can prove helping side works better than inside side I'll eat my words.

I'll put the camara right behind the shot so you can see a quarter of the black sticking out just in case you say it's not QB. It will be up on Saturday.

[Terry Davidson]

If you are aiming BOB you'll have no chance

Duh...who in hell is aiming at BOB. With side you have to compensate on the aiming. When you have a 3/4 black, (this same one) and you want to crank the cueball with top left and power where in hell do you aim. You aim virtually full ball depending on side and power.

[Terry Davidson]

If the black is a low black i.e. CB heading towards pink on the green side of the table, play it with right hand side full ball

You can make the black but would never hold the spot as you're cutting the black thinner and CB runs toward baulk. You both have to be wrong according to my experience and watching your videos. In fact on yours where you claimed SIT potted the pink it appeared to me the spin was gone from the CB unless you have a hellish stroke and that
's because it quit bending as it passed by the pink. No spin, no SIT.

[travisbickle]

Biggy, it's ALWAYS inside side to hold the CB, there is no other way.

Guess you're wrong there. Every day is a school day

[Terry Davidson]

It really is shocking how much you know about this stuff Tel, it really is. I'm lost for words!

You should be. When you do your video hit the black with helping side and you're increasing the cut so more energy remains with the CB. It is impossible to hold the CB with helping side BUT if you and Biggy can prove helping side works better than inside side I'll eat my words.

[throtts]

Using LH side remember. I just tried it myself and I have to admit I couldn't pot the black from 3/4 and hold the spot and CB ended up just above the spot (toward the cushion). I then tried a 7/8 shot and did that one OK after a couple of attempts where I overcut the black.

Then I tried using your LH side and ended up on the top cushion so I guess you're a better man than me. I think RH side is the way to go with this shot but I couldn't get enough side to both pot the black AND hold the spot. When you put up your video using LH side I will applaud because I sure as hell can't do it. On the other hand with the 3/4 black a stun shot worked just as well, maybe a little closer to the top cushion.

So you tried LH side , on the green side, a pink side 3/4 black of its spot. You say you didn't pot the black and CB went on towards the top cush. Is all that correct, Tel.?.

How far was the CB from the black on strike.?.

[travisbickle]

Go left and then turn a bit and carry straight on the new line, which is what your video showed. If you removed the red ball you could pot the ball the same way and since it's a straight shot you could also use LH side too and achieve the same results but no intervening ball.

With an angled pot all that would change and you would have to use RH side if the CB was a little further towards the blue area. Of course all these shots can be potted, but killing the CB is the aim of what we're discussing, so on a 7/8 pink being cut to the left it will be RH side and slow to allow the RH side to bite. Ifv you use LH side you will overcut the ball unless you compensate on the aiming.

I used right hand side to throw the OB to the left and getting a full ball contact to kill the CB.

[Terry Davidson]

No... biggie took my quote and then said my memory was wrong.

it isn't

Glad you enjoyed my boxers... I am an insult to genetics

That was me regarding your boxers a long time ago when you first posted the videos

[Terry Davidson]

Who, me?.

I am not doubting at all. But my blacks above gave the results above with me and showed me the RHS returned me a lose CB..

I have another go tomoz. Not doubting my previous strikes on the CB though..

Nice boxers in the vid too, mucker xx

He's talking about Biggy's post as he doesn't seem to understand you can't use helping side to hold a cueball. I have no idea how you achieved what you say as it is impossible. To hold the cueball it's inside side all the way, and that's the ONLY way.