Sidespin on a snooker table both with and against the nap

[Terry Davidson]

Whatever TD.

You can join vmax in the clueless club as far as I'm concerned.
Hitting correct BOB!!!
What the hell are you two seeing???

You can believe what you want I don't really care anymore.

Good. My eyes aren't deceiving me and I doubt vmax's are either. Try placing your camera directly behind the pocket and have a go. I'm not asking you to publish the video, just take a look.

[travisbickle]

Damn it, get over the damned insults and discuss this like civil people. In this instance I'm with vmax as I haven't yet seen any video that convinces me that in these swerve shots (or 'curve' shots) are nothing more than the cueball coming back to BOB or very near it so the balls can be potted into the side of the pocket. You believe you get up to around 15* of OB deflection but even your guru doesn't believe that. If this deflection is real then why can't it be done at more power with a higher spin. Ignoring the fact you have to aim-off when using side.

After seeing Nic's video I believe contact throw, otherwise called CIT by you, is something that does happen but again it's very minor and if it is happening it's automatically and unconsciously factored out by snooker players so it's of NO consequence. As for your SIT, I have seen nothing that convinces me it's real despite you and Mr. B.S.'s insulting remarks that have happened just because neither vmax or I believe this actually is happening. Stop motion video proves us right and I would correct my initial statement and say the OB does not always take off at a pure 180* as with CIT it might take off at 179.5* or even 180.5* because that's what Nic's video showed. The roll in the table had more effect.

There have been over the years 1,000's of theories on billiards coming out of the U.S. for years and a lot of them are crap. Just because Dr. Dave can put up a video 'proving' his theories doesn't mean it has to convince me.

So you and Mr. B.S. and maybe Reggie if he's around should stop trying to preach your theories as you sound exactly the same as a born-again Christian who can't stand anyone else within earshot (or keyboard shot) not being a born-again Christian. People get bored hearing the same stuff they don't believe all the time and turn off so you're not doing yourself any favours.

Whatever TD.

You can join vmax in the clueless club as far as I'm concerned.
Hitting correct BOB!!!
What the hell are you two seeing???

You can believe what you want I don't really care anymore.

[j6uk]

Damn it, get over the damned insults and discuss this like civil people. In this instance I'm with vmax as I haven't yet seen any video that convinces me that in these swerve shots (or 'curve' shots) are nothing more than the cueball coming back to BOB or very near it so the balls can be potted into the side of the pocket. You believe you get up to around 15* of OB deflection but even your guru doesn't believe that. If this deflection is real then why can't it be done at more power with a higher spin. Ignoring the fact you have to aim-off when using side.

After seeing Nic's video I believe contact throw, otherwise called CIT by you, is something that does happen but again it's very minor and if it is happening it's automatically and unconsciously factored out by snooker players so it's of NO consequence. As for your SIT, I have seen nothing that convinces me it's real despite you and Mr. B.S.'s insulting remarks that have happened just because neither vmax or I believe this actually is happening. Stop motion video proves us right and I would correct my initial statement and say the OB does not always take off at a pure 180* as with CIT it might take off at 179.5* or even 180.5* because that's what Nic's video showed. The roll in the table had more effect.

There have been over the years 1,000's of theories on billiards coming out of the U.S. for years and a lot of them are crap. Just because Dr. Dave can put up a video 'proving' his theories doesn't mean it has to convince me.

So you and Mr. B.S. and maybe Reggie if he's around should stop trying to preach your theories as you sound exactly the same as a born-again Christian who can't stand anyone else within earshot (or keyboard shot) not being a born-again Christian. People get bored hearing the same stuff they don't believe all the time and turn off so you're not doing yourself any favours.

so on your snooker journey youve never come across or been able to straighten the ob up by going outside the center of the white? or you did and you where just doing it subconsciously and making the shots?

[Terry Davidson]

Big shot is right about you I'm afraid...simply clueless!

Damn it, get over the damned insults and discuss this like civil people. In this instance I'm with vmax as I haven't yet seen any video that convinces me that in these swerve shots (or 'curve' shots) are nothing more than the cueball coming back to BOB or very near it so the balls can be potted into the side of the pocket. You believe you get up to around 15* of OB deflection but even your guru doesn't believe that. If this deflection is real then why can't it be done at more power with a higher spin. Ignoring the fact you have to aim-off when using side.

After seeing Nic's video I believe contact throw, otherwise called CIT by you, is something that does happen but again it's very minor and if it is happening it's automatically and unconsciously factored out by snooker players so it's of NO consequence. As for your SIT, I have seen nothing that convinces me it's real despite you and Mr. B.S.'s insulting remarks that have happened just because neither vmax or I believe this actually is happening. Stop motion video proves us right and I would correct my initial statement and say the OB does not always take off at a pure 180* as with CIT it might take off at 179.5* or even 180.5* because that's what Nic's video showed. The roll in the table had more effect.

There have been over the years 1,000's of theories on billiards coming out of the U.S. for years and a lot of them are crap. Just because Dr. Dave can put up a video 'proving' his theories doesn't mean it has to convince me.

So you and Mr. B.S. and maybe Reggie if he's around should stop trying to preach your theories as you sound exactly the same as a born-again Christian who can't stand anyone else within earshot (or keyboard shot) not being a born-again Christian. People get bored hearing the same stuff they don't believe all the time and turn off so you're not doing yourself any favours.

[travisbickle]

No you didn't, you said it pushes out to the left but holds its line, you didn't mention any swerve at all, in fact you denied it happened unless you wanted it to LOL. You also said it was pointless because it had the wrong side to pot the ball, not that it wasn't a natural shot, it was I who said that, but I guess that predator video has shown you something you didn't see in my video or your own because you were so hung up on being right you weren't looking.

And nowhere near correct BOB is plain wrong, near enough to pot the OB in the side of the pocket is what I'm seeing frame by frame on my Nero Platinum 2017 video editing tool, and that's on my video, your video and all the other videos that pertain to show OB throw.
The only ones that don't are Wilsons' kick and my bad contact so I've yet to see evidence to the contrary, and a screen shot where the cue ball is at least an inch from contact is always going to show an alledged thicker contact on a shot that also isn't even straight so the OB red is also outside the pocket so a deliberate attempt to discredit me and Terry in my book.

We've had a regular ton maker on the forum (tedisbill) say he couldn't throw the OB into the pocket with a contact that was too thick and yet you can.

BTW if you're knocking in tons every week then you play at a great standard, so let us all know when you actually win something other than beat your mates eh!

Big shot is right about you I'm afraid...simply clueless!

[vmax]

Like I said, there is no point doing another video. I never said I could play the shot with left hand side as it's not a natural shot and pointless.

All I ever said was the CB pushed out a bit then swerves slightly back for the first few inches then holds the line until it contacts the red nowhere near correct BOB, which is clearly seen in the video.

No you didn't, you said it pushes out to the left but holds its line, you didn't mention any swerve at all, in fact you denied it happened unless you wanted it to LOL. You also said it was pointless because it had the wrong side to pot the ball, not that it wasn't a natural shot, it was I who said that, but I guess that predator video has shown you something you didn't see in my video or your own because you were so hung up on being right you weren't looking.

And nowhere near correct BOB is plain wrong, near enough to pot the OB in the side of the pocket is what I'm seeing frame by frame on my Nero Platinum 2017 video editing tool, and that's on my video, your video and all the other videos that pertain to show OB throw.
The only ones that don't are Wilsons' kick and my bad contact so I've yet to see evidence to the contrary, and a screen shot where the cue ball is at least an inch from contact is always going to show an alledged thicker contact on a shot that also isn't even straight so the OB red is also outside the pocket so a deliberate attempt to discredit me and Terry in my book.

We've had a regular ton maker on the forum (tedisbill) say he couldn't throw the OB into the pocket with a contact that was too thick and yet you can.

BTW if you're knocking in tons every week then you play at a great standard, so let us all know when you actually win something other than beat your mates eh!

[Cue crafty]

It also helps in China where they have converted extra school gyms to billiard rooms and have teacher coaches. Anyone know of any schools in other countries who have tables in them for the students and a coach?

That is such a refreshingly wonderful thought. To imagine the green thinking around the game of snooker in that environment makes playing snooker in China a bucket list choice for me.

For now it will have to be the usual blowing the dust off the centuries old table at my local, but this is an invigorating thought and prospect. 🤔

[Terry Davidson]

The Chinese would help each other to improve without doubt. Nice dudes..Probably why there is so much talent out there.

It also helps in China where they have converted extra school gyms to billiard rooms and have teacher coaches. Anyone know of any schools in other countries who have tables in them for the students and a coach?

[throtts]

The Chinese would help each other to improve without doubt. Nice dudes..Probably why there is so much talent out there.

[travisbickle]

One of the bad things I noticed in snooker when I first started playing. None of the better / good players would give out tips or tricks of the trade on how to improve your game. Probably, because their upbringing in the game was the same. Playing a decent player who is willing share can get you to your decent standard so many years earlier than if your left to it. And I mean ""many years"".....

I agree.
Probably another reason why the game is dying over here.
I can't imagine it's the same story in China

[throtts]

One of the bad things I noticed in snooker when I first started playing. None of the better / good players would give out tips or tricks of the trade on how to improve your game. Probably, because their upbringing in the game was the same. Playing a decent player who is willing share can get you to your decent standard so many years earlier than if your left to it. And I mean ""many years"".....

[travisbickle]

little gems of info are priceless, and can be a gear changer.

Game changer? If so, I agree
Some players just seem stuck in their ways.
Their lose I guess.

[j6uk]

Secondly , i disagree with your statement . Pro's do use side , albeit a very very small amount . A Pro showed me the shots , and it aided my game .

little gems of info are priceless, and can be a gear changer.

[travisbickle]

Not THE SHOT no, but you insinuated you could make the same contact point but 'what would be the point as it's the wrong side to pot the ball' even though I wasn't asking you to pot the ball but simply to make the same contact point on the OB.

Now I've tried and failed as I'm a sometime 30 breaker with a jabby cue action, but you as a regular weekly century breaker, proven to us by showing us six inches of cue , should be able to do it; and seeing as you can make it swerve using side and also make it hold its line using side then all you need to do is compensate your aiming to allow for the initial deflection into the pink, gently strike with left hand side and tell the cue ball not to swerve but to hold its line and it will surely do what it's told and go straight to the same contact point on the red.

BTW, talking about yourself in the third person speaks volumes.

Like I said, there is no point doing another video. I never said I could play the shot with left hand side as it's not a natural shot and pointless.

All I ever said was the CB pushed out a bit then swerves slightly back for the first few inches then holds the line until it contacts the red nowhere near correct BOB, which is clearly seen in the video.

I think you still think I'm swerving around the pink to hit correct BOB lol

Guess that's why I knock in tons and you're still stuck in the 30s

[vmax]

Travis has never said he can play the shot with left hand side..stop talkin s****!

Not THE SHOT no, but you insinuated you could make the same contact point but 'what would be the point as it's the wrong side to pot the ball' even though I wasn't asking you to pot the ball but simply to make the same contact point on the OB.

Now I've tried and failed as I'm a sometime 30 breaker with a jabby cue action, but you as a regular weekly century breaker, proven to us by showing us six inches of cue , should be able to do it; and seeing as you can make it swerve using side and also make it hold its line using side then all you need to do is compensate your aiming to allow for the initial deflection into the pink, gently strike with left hand side and tell the cue ball not to swerve but to hold its line and it will surely do what it's told and go straight to the same contact point on the red.

BTW, talking about yourself in the third person speaks volumes.