Sidespin on a snooker table both with and against the nap

[vmax]

The contact on the first video is enough to make the pot in the right hand side of the pocket, Ramon's screen shots are once again selective, I watched it frame per frame and froze it at point of contact when the cue ball almost obscured the red and that's the line the red was on, second one swerved too much, unlike the Wilson effort that didn't swerve enough but kicked the red into the left hand side of the pocket.

But your grans examples aren't straight though are they travis, so not looking exactly down the line of aim so cannot see the swerve on the cue ball.
Either your gran has dementia or you're not telling her the right shot to play because you know she can't make them.

Now tell her to set them up again, dead straight, pink about 5mm in the way and play shot one plain ball, shot two with left hand side and shot three with right hand side.

If plain ball is able to make the same contact as right hand side, and left hand side, after compensating aiming for the initial throw to the right is be able to make the same contact with the red as plain ball and right hand side, then your gran will prove to me that the cue ball doesn't swerve at low pace and a shiny new cue will be on it's way to her.

And don't tell me that it isn't worth her playing these shots as with two of them she can't pot the ball, we know that, it's an exercise to prove or disprove cue ball swerve at low pace, so if she ducks out we'll all know your gran can't play for toffee, or maybe she can but didn't know how it was done.

This cue offer is open to everyone on the forum, play these three shots on a snooker table and film them and prove me wrong, not only will you get a shiny new cue that you might love or hate and sell on, but I'll also worship at the alter of Dr. Dave and his all seeing 1000 frames per second eye and apologise profusely to biggie.

Remember I'm looking for the same contact point on the OB as with right hand side not the pot.

[travisbickle]

Great vids mate. Excellent examples.

Tell your Nan I said well played

I'll let her know
Cheers Ted

[tedisbill]

https://youtu.be/pdlbCohmiCw
https://youtu.be/hz_uP_JlpUs

Pause on contact. First vid nowhere near correct BOB contact.
Second vid is exactly the same as Wilson's shot minus the kick or the pot :biggrin-new:

Great vids mate. Excellent examples.

Tell your Nan I said well played

[Ramon]

First shot is barely hitting the knuckle on contact imo. Camara was right in line with the CB & pocket.
The second shot had slight swerve on it and the contact was very much like Wilson's without the kick.
You are right in saying they are low percentage shots though.

This may give a better image of what happened there. ( Nice cueing ) .


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[travisbickle]

Are you going to see how far away you can get and still turn it Travis, it would be good to see( well I'm interested anyway).

Yep it still works but it's a lot harder to judge with the nap over longer distances. I'm not sure if you would see anything though if I recorded it as the camara on my phone is s##t!!

[itsnoteasy]

Are you going to see how far away you can get and still turn it Travis, it would be good to see( well I'm interested anyway).

[travisbickle]

There may be something in the distance thing Terry, i don't know but even if you can play it over a longer distance it sure would be hard to judge. On the subject of being hard to judge, would this be any harder to judge ( given you have practiced it enough)than a swerve shot around a ball to hit the exact potting point? For me both of them are extremely risky in a pressure situation or where you would leave a decent chance on if you missed.

Swerve shots are much harder to judge imo.

[itsnoteasy]

There may be something in the distance thing Terry, i don't know but even if you can play it over a longer distance it sure would be hard to judge. On the subject of being hard to judge, would this be any harder to judge ( given you have practiced it enough)than a swerve shot around a ball to hit the exact potting point? For me both of them are extremely risky in a pressure situation or where you would leave a decent chance on if you missed.

[travisbickle]

Actually you over-cooked the second pink. It appeared to me you went just past BOB on contact. In the first one it looked like the cueball didn't reach BOB but again it's hard to tell although the camera does appear to be behind the shot.

Raises the question though, if in a no pressure situation such as this you did miss the pot and left your opponent your position. It's hard to judge these shots even though you were on your home table. I haven't tried your pink ball but I did try Barry Stark's blue ball successfully but it was a shorter distance. On shot 2 it looked like the obstructing ball was a little more in the line of the shot although the pot was still possible seeing as how you overdid it (almost like Wilson did).

First shot is barely hitting the knuckle on contact imo. Camara was right in line with the CB & pocket.
The second shot had slight swerve on it and the contact was very much like Wilson's without the kick.
You are right in saying they are low percentage shots though.

[Terry Davidson]

https://youtu.be/pdlbCohmiCw
https://youtu.be/hz_uP_JlpUs

Pause on contact. First vid nowhere near correct BOB contact.
Second vid is exactly the same as Wilson's shot minus the kick or the pot :biggrin-new:

Actually you over-cooked the second pink. It appeared to me you went just past BOB on contact. In the first one it looked like the cueball didn't reach BOB but again it's hard to tell although the camera does appear to be behind the shot.

Raises the question though, if in a no pressure situation such as this you did miss the pot and left your opponent your position. It's hard to judge these shots even though you were on your home table. I haven't tried your pink ball but I did try Barry Stark's blue ball successfully but it was a shorter distance. On shot 2 it looked like the obstructing ball was a little more in the line of the shot although the pot was still possible seeing as how you overdid it (almost like Wilson did).

[travisbickle]

Fook me ,if that's your gran Travis, I would want 28 off her in the club handicap

She's not bad for 99

[itsnoteasy]

Fook me ,if that's your gran Travis, I would want 28 off her in the club handicap

[travisbickle]

Ask your gran to set up the same shots and also play them with left hand side and centre ball striking to prove you can make the same contact point without using right hand side to swerve the cue ball.
That's what I asked you to do and to get your gran to do otherwise is ducking out.

It's obvious she can play centre ball as you can clearly see she is nowhere near the correct BOB on contact.

Again I've already said left hand side is also pointless as the CB is pushed into the line of the pink.

[vmax]

https://youtu.be/pdlbCohmiCw
https://youtu.be/hz_uP_JlpUs

Pause on contact. First vid nowhere near correct BOB contact.
Second vid is exactly the same as Wilson's shot minus the kick or the pot :biggrin-new:

Ask your gran to set up the same shots and also play them with left hand side and centre ball striking to prove you can make the same contact point without using right hand side to swerve the cue ball.
That's what I asked you to do and to get your gran to do otherwise is ducking out.

[itsnoteasy]

I missed that, sorry.

No probs I will put it up again. Get in touch with him Vmax, I do think you have one point that is worth discussing imo and that is whether there is a maximum range you can play these shots from as he says you get most throw from a skidding ball at slow pace with medium spin, so at long range I'm not sure you could get a sliding cue ball at low pace as it would start to roll, but there will be better players than me who can say if it can be done. Although the first video Travis has posted above, is pretty clear.
David.Alciatore@colostate.edu
There you go pal.