Is Hendry passed it ?

[Monique]

Without being able to judge about the ability of any particular coach, or indeed if any of them would be able to help Hendry, I still want to stress that there is a huge difference between coaching/teaching abilities and performing at the very top. It's a different set of skills entirely and an excellent coach can be a mediocre player - by lack of being able to actually execute properly what he/she knows is right and is very able to explain - while a top player can be a useless coach being unable to explain how he does it, actually not even being fully conscious how he does it.

[jrc750]

just because i play 1 way does that mean i coach that way

Sorry if this is a daft question - but if you coach the "correct" way which is the ideal way to play, why do you (who knows better than most) play a different way then ???
is it because your not "at work" so just relax and have fun ??

[lee brett]

Sorry if this is a daft question - but if you coach the "correct" way which is the ideal way to play, why do you (who knows better than most) play a different way then ???
is it because your not "at work" so just relax and have fun ??

good question, the answer is im a natural player, i had a century break 6 months after picking a cue up, and can have had a century in 3 mins or so,that doesnt mean im the great before people start making negative comments im merely saying some people have natural ability others dont.

I play fast, that doesnt mean everyone can play so fast and play well.

when my students start playing as fast as me and not well i tell them to stop trying to play the speed i do, im comfortable playing like that, i teach the correct fundamentals and find the speed that suits the individual, i can also play like a robot if thats what cally wants in a coach.

but wouldnt you want a coach that can not only explain but execute as well, wouldnt you feel that he knew waht he was ttalking about more and respect the coach more, since in any sport you must respect the coach or you will switch off and never learn.

[mick 142]

What a pile of ****e jimmy has forgot more than king will ever know .

[wildJONESEYE]

but thats the point he has forgotten it.

[wildJONESEYE]

Without being able to judge about the ability of any particular coach, or indeed if any of them would be able to help Hendry, I still want to stress that there is a huge difference between coaching/teaching abilities and performing at the very top. It's a different set of skills entirely and an excellent coach can be a mediocre player - by lack of being able to actually execute properly what he/she knows is right and is very able to explain - while a top player can be a useless coach being unable to explain how he does it, actually not even being fully conscious how he does it.

it isn't a matter of coaches its a case you pick up bad habits along the way putting unwanted side either by sighting the ball differently to compensate for a weaker eye or getting fatter etc.

and re programing the human brain is harder than re programing a computer after a virus buggered it up.

[Monique]

it isn't a matter of coaches its a case you pick up bad habits along the way putting unwanted side either by sighting the ball differently to compensate for a weaker eye or getting fatter etc.

and re programing the human brain is harder than re programing a computer after a virus buggered it up.

Wild, that may well be, but that's not my point. My post was an answer to some here attacking Lee Brett on his coaching abilities on the ground he wasn't a top player. My point is that it isn't needed to be a top player to be a good coach and that being a top player will not guarantee you can teach what you can do.

[Mr O]

This topic has been done before, Hendry was never the same player after losing his old cue- and he was still in his prime then. I'd say he lost a good 10% of his ability after that

[lloouu]

Coach and player is different!!

I nearly fell off my sofa with laughter at that 1.......

Give us a break will ya....


I wouldnt pay ya to try and sort my game out with all the bad habits you have in your game nor matter trying to sort out anyone elses... especially a seasoned pro like hendry. some people eh..


I'm still laughing at that i tells ya...some people just think their the dogs danglies when their clearly not.

Dont get me wrong you are a much better player than me but you dont half like to blow your own trumpet at times...

I wouldnt pay ya 40 quid an hr to coach me nor matter a pro, i would be looking for a coach that..., lets just say approaches the game with a better technique than yourself.

I'm not agree with your opinions! You are not even qualify to laugh on it, unless you are also a coach who can do better than Lee.
You can say you are not willing to pay for coaching, or you don't need a coach because you are good enough.
If you think you do better, just go to any club and post a note for yourself and see how many people will contact you!! Or you can coach one of Lee's student and let the student judge is it worth to pay for Lee.
A good player doesn't mean he knows how to coach well!!
Thanks for bought this up, and I will try to contact him and take couple lessons. I think that's fair to make any kind of comment after you actually try on it.

[wildJONESEYE]

mon

my point was to back you up.

you cant blame a coach for a players failings thats something the player has to deal with himself.

a coach helps you and gives you different ideas of how to play a shot but bottom line is no coach knows your game better than you.and defenatly no coach if its Frank Callan,Terry Griffiths or Lee Brett realistically can hope to teach a 7 times World Champion how to play.

[Monique]

mon

my point was to back you up.

you cant blame a coach for a players failings thats something the player has to deal with himself.

a coach helps you and gives you different ideas of how to play a shot but bottom line is no coach knows your game better than you.and defenatly no coach if its Frank Callan,Terry Griffiths or Lee Brett realistically can hope to teach a 7 times World Champion how to play.

No, but they can help him to reflect on his game and maybe show him - litterally, using videos f.i - where "bad habits" if any have crept in. One is not always conscious of things despite them being obvious for the "external" observer.
Hendry has been complaining about chaos in his head. Everyone is different but for some, being able to express and discuss those feelings helps to clear the mind.

[wildJONESEYE]

No, but they can help him to reflect on his game and maybe show him - litterally, using videos f.i - where "bad habits" if any have crept in. One is not always conscious of things despite them being obvious for the "external" observer.
Hendry has been complaining about chaos in his head. Everyone is different but for some, being able to express and discuss those feelings helps to clear the mind.

i think family and friends can do that also..

i think caios in his head is the fact he knows how well hes playing but when it matters he cant do it.

i think if he didnt put to much expectation on his shoulders he would find a consistant level maybe not as high as he used to perform but he really should be able to play to a more consistent level.

its hard to believe how poor he was against mark williams in glasgow. if he played like he did against Selby in the UK Williams would have lost that match but its ifs or maybee and the caios comes from the fact he knows he should not play that badly but he is.

[jonplayer]

For me there is no doubt that he is still good enough to play at a high standard, the key is can he string a few good matches together to be able to win a title. His play is so patchy now I don't think he can. Plus players no longer beat them selves whilst playing him like in the 90's.

[cally]

ok cally when im back in the uk, i will give you a free hour then make your judgement, dont knock my integrity when it comes to my coaching.

sorry cally have you seen me coach, yet you precede to make comments about something you obviously dont know, i merely said i could help him.

dont knock what you havent tried or dont know. i have a big job offer in england you maybe eating your words sooner than you think.

Hi fella, I'm sorry it may have come across a bit harsh and i'm not criticising your coaching skills...but you come across a bit up yourself with posts like "i will improve anyones game" posts, it would come across better i feel if you said things like i will work with you and see where we can go instead of going with this cocksure attitude you have. i mean theres nowt wrong with having confidence in your coaching but i'm not the only 1 to notice your cocksure attitude. I don't mean to say your bad at what you do but maybe think how you come across in your posts.

I really don't mean to offend you. i am truely sorry for coming across like a tw@t and hope you all the very best on your new job...

But what made me laugh....

You offer to sort hendry's game out of the little error/s he has in his game and you have many errors in your game... that was my point...


Granted i have only seen a vid of you playing but still i wouldnt really want anyone coaching me something when they clearly dont follow their own advice...

I don't find that appealing at all and very contradictory imo...

But that's just the way i look at it... (my opinion)

I am very sorry to have come across like i did but it did'nt mean to say you are a bad coach. I just think it's not too clever to NOT practise what you preach...
i do understand it's the way you have learnt to play the game but still......
I see that you are a fluent and very good player and i would love to reach your std of break building an fluency (i'm far from it).

I really didnt mean to offend and i am sorry for that fella. did not mean to undermine your abilities but like i said to offer hendry a helping hand when theirs obviously flaws in your own game i find a bit contradictory and it made me laugh that's all.




Sorry bud.....

[Monique]

i think family and friends can do that also..

i think caios in his head is the fact he knows how well hes playing but when it matters he cant do it.

i think if he didnt put to much expectation on his shoulders he would find a consistant level maybe not as high as he used to perform but he really should be able to play to a more consistent level.

its hard to believe how poor he was against mark williams in glasgow. if he played like he did against Selby in the UK Williams would have lost that match but its ifs or maybee and the caios comes from the fact he knows he should not play that badly but he is.

I don't think family and friends are the right people for that. They are too close and too emotionaly involved for it. It's hard enough to discuss those things, you need the other person to be neutral and serene about it.

On the other hand I do agree that putting too much expectations on ones shoulders certainly does not help.