cueing offline

[mustafa.ansarie]

i saw my coach and he said you have to experience things yourself, whats right for you
he said if you are dropping your shoulder like ronnie does, then use a grip like him
he is closeing his grip at the end, while forfinger and thumb is open and not even touching each other

he said you gotta experience cocking your wrist, in , out, side etc to see the experiences

i saw two coaches 2 years ago, and they changed my grip which im currently using
but i saw this new coach 3 times now, in 1 month

and he is telling me my everything is perfect
but i hardly make 50 breaks in 10 frames

[Erwan_BZH]

Are you right handed ?

Sound like you are cuing your hand into your body . Usually by griping too tight or dropping the elbow ?

Funny you mentionned that (cueing my hand into my body) because I thought about it today before heading to my training session and realized that it was probably what I was doing wrong unconsciously....So once at the table, I paid attention, moved my cue a little out and started potting some balls straight again. I was cueing so well that I even managed to get a 50 break, only missing a simple red after losing position off a black. Could have been even higher.
so thank you : )

[Shockerz]

Just taken a look at Barry's other videos, I think I will take time and look at them all; the grip video seems spot on as Terry says and he looks like a very knowledgeable guy.

[Terry Davidson]

The correct tightness (or lack of) is you should be able to move the cue through the grip using the other hand with no pressure.

Al;so, the video posted in #21 is EXACTLY correct. The grip is really the cue up into the web between forefinger and thumb with the forefinger curled around the cue and the thumb touching the forefinger and there really is no real pressure anywhere. The back 3 fingers should remain in touch with the cue at all times, even in a long backswing.

[Shockerz]

Maybe . Or maybe you are tightening the grip at time of impact because your about to hit something with a bit of weight , rather than thin air .

You'd probably be better off with a video from behind the ball and then yourself or you could end up changing things that aren't broke. Either that or getting a coach to take a look.

A while back I started tinkering with what if's as you can't see what you are doing yourself, by the time you are finished you are in a totally different position. When I went to a coach he just your twisting the cue on final delivery and your grip is too tight...........might not be the same for you but also you don;t ant to change something that works makiing the situation worse.

[mustafa.ansarie]

thats the problem
i saw few coaches they told me to maintain the forefinger round and lock it
but i do that i cannot pot difficult pots
but if i straighten the forefinger at the end of the delivery and its not even touching the thumb i play better
but the coaches keep tellin me thats too loose etc
i have been playing with what coach told me, like 2 years now
but i think im not gonna stick with it now

[Catch 22]

if you watch the videos, i think the forefinger shouldnt be round after pulling the cue
people say grip should be as loose as posible
but if you make a round shape with your forefinger, and keep it round at all the time, your grip is tight

It's only tight if you make it tight You can hold your cue vertically and grip it with a round shape and loosen the round shape lightly until the cue starts to slip through . This can be done while maintaining the grip .

I'm guilty of gripping the cue too tight sometimes . But other times my grip is so light that if I hit a power shot ,the cue slips forward through my grip a few mms after my hand hits my chest

[itsnoteasy]

Not a bad video , showing the grip and how it works.

[mustafa.ansarie]

if you watch the videos, i think the forefinger shouldnt be round after pulling the cue
people say grip should be as loose as posible
but if you make a round shape with your forefinger, and keep it round at all the time, your grip is tight

[Erwan_BZH]

Going through the very same issue at the moment.....and gets me mad!

[itsnoteasy]

My advice, you have a coach, do as he tells you.

[mustafa.ansarie]

if you watch 1:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyEy8KOdk_w
his forefinger is straight here

[mustafa.ansarie]

i think my grip's abit tight since terry mentioned it
watch this video
and tell me if at 0:40 , is the correct position of forefinger
caz when i pull back, my forefinger is stil touching the thumb and its round , since my coach told me that it has to be locked all the time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTKYyMr9FWU

if you watch 0:51 his forfinger is different here
im confused
my other fingers are loose, the only forefinger confuses me

[mustafa.ansarie]

thanks, i will give it a go

[Terry Davidson]

This is always the result of a player gripping the cue too TIGHT at or before the time of impact and the only way to see it is to video yourself by playing long blues and watching in the video the part of your cue which is over the leather in the baulk pocket and that way you can easily see where in the delivery you are going wrong. Use frame-by-frame analysis tool like freeware Kinovea.

As was said when you're cueing with no balls there you don't have to tighten the grip to deliver the cue but when there are balls in the equation a lot of players will tighten the grip too soon and too tight. I have had students who start their delivery by tightening the grip and as soon as you do that you have no hope of delivering the cue straight.