Too much gobbledegook on here now, let's all agree it's a free ball
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is this a free ball, i got told no .....
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Originally Posted by itsnoteasy View PostThat's not correct. There are loads of occasions you are not able to hit both extremes and it's not a free ball, you can not count the flat of the cushion as a blocking point, remember you can't be snookered by a cushion.
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Originally Posted by Dave_marsy View PostYou have got to be able to hit all of the red the green ball is the obstruction ...so ITS A FREE BALLThis is how you play darts ,MVG two nines in the same match!
https://youtu.be/yqTGtwOpHu8
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Originally Posted by Dave_marsy View PostCorrect lolThis is how you play darts ,MVG two nines in the same match!
https://youtu.be/yqTGtwOpHu8
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Originally Posted by itsnoteasy View PostI agree it's a free ball, but the point they are making is the knuckle is stopping you hitting as much of the red as possible, if the green wasn't there ,and because this is closer to the cue ball, it's classed as the first blocker so no free ball( I hope that's what's being argued) I am saying I don't think the knuckle is the first blocker so it is a free ball.
the line from the left edge of the CB to the right edge of the Red goes through the curve. So the CB (on that line) will hit the curve and go into the middle of the table, unlike a straight cushion, where the CB will hit the Red.
I don't think that those arguing that it is not a Free Ball agree with it, but that is the strict application of the rule...
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Originally Posted by blahblah01 View PostYep, but no.
the line from the left edge of the CB to the right edge of the Red goes through the curve. So the CB (on that line) will hit the curve and go into the middle of the table, unlike a straight cushion, where the CB will hit the Red.
I don't think that those arguing that it is not a Free Ball agree with it, but that is the strict application of the rule...
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Originally Posted by blahblah01 View PostYep, but no.
the line from the left edge of the CB to the right edge of the Red goes through the curve. So the CB (on that line) will hit the curve and go into the middle of the table, unlike a straight cushion, where the CB will hit the Red.
I don't think that those arguing that it is not a Free Ball agree with it, but that is the strict application of the rule...Duplicate of banned account deleted
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Originally Posted by Dave_marsy View PostOnly balls can cause an obstruction to award a free ball ...so the green is limiting you
The curved part of a pocket is considered to be an obstruction, and if that is nearer to the cue ball than an obstructing ball, then no free ball can be given.
2.17:
(e) The cue-ball cannot be snookered by a cushion. If the curved face of a
cushion obstructs the cue-ball and is closer to the cue-ball than any
obstructing ball not on, the cue-ball is not snookered.Duplicate of banned account deleted
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Originally Posted by blahblah01 View PostYep.
For those thinking it isn't a Free Ball, as the Rule is written... (well my understanding)
You have a Free Ball: you play to pot the Black and miss. Being cunning, you play the pot to leave the last red snookered behind the Pink, which works.
However the Black has rolled into a similar line (ie between the CB and Red): is it a Freeball?
Answer: it depends which side of the Pink the Black is. If it CB side then it is a Free Ball, if it is Red side then it isn't - as the FIRST obstruction is the only relevant one ie the Pink.
In the photo above, the curve of the cushion is the first obstruction, so the Green is irrelevant. However, the curve is an integral part of the table, which is not relevant in Free Balls.Duplicate of banned account deleted
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Originally Posted by Londonlad147 View PostNo, that is incorrect.
The curved part of a pocket is considered to be an obstruction, and if that is nearer to the cue ball than an obstructing ball, then no free ball can be given.
2.17:
(e) The cue-ball cannot be snookered by a cushion. If the curved face of a
cushion obstructs the cue-ball and is closer to the cue-ball than any
obstructing ball not on, the cue-ball is not snookered.
No matter what it's a Free BallLast edited by Dave_marsy; 8 August 2017, 03:35 PM.
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For those that aren't getting this:
The Rule is designed for the CB being in the jaws of the pocket from a Foul, however, it is badly worded so that it applies in the photo.
The photo SHOULD be a Free Ball, but the Rule is badly worded, and few, if any Ref's would actually enforce it due to the bad wording. IF I was a Ref, which I am not, I would explain it to both players and expect them to agree to a Free Ball, but if one didn't, then I would have to go with the player wanting the Free Ball.....
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Originally Posted by itsnoteasy View PostI agree it's a free ball, but the point they are making is the knuckle is stopping you hitting as much of the red as possible, if the green wasn't there ,and because this is closer to the cue ball, it's classed as the first blocker so no free ball( I hope that's what's being argued) I am saying I don't think the knuckle is the first blocker so it is a free ball.Duplicate of banned account deleted
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