The next British Heavyweight World Champion

[Leo]

I've won some silly money on boxing before...

Lost some too though... Dropped 400 on Paulie to beat Broner and lost that...

Did win just under 3k on Wlad beating Povetkin via UD

How ever much was your stake considering klitschko was clear favourite

[pottr]

I've won some silly money on boxing before...

Lost some too though... Dropped 400 on Paulie to beat Broner and lost that...

Did win just under 3k on Wlad beating Povetkin via UD

[gavpowell]

Can't seem to edit previous post. Grr.

With Hatton-Pacquiao, I said I was worried about whether Pacquiao's power transferred up with him, and that if it did, Hatton was in trouble. Not only did Manny's power transfer up, Hatton fought like an absolute moron, just marching straight into Pacquiao's fists.

[gavpowell]

Yeah, I won somewhere in the region of 300 quid on Hatton-Tszyu, from something like a £10 stake. I hardly ever bet after that - it wiped out the 150 I lost on "Tyson KO Lewis 8" and I was absolutely delighted. These days, I find the opening bell goes and I think "Oh, I should've had a bet on this."

[GeordieDS]

Sorry, I missed that bit.

I don't really think there's anyone from the modern era so far - Morales has been so utterly wonderful throughout his career, pretty much never taking an easy fight when he could take a hard fight, and the only fighter I've ever known who really meant it when he said he fought for the fans - last round of the first PAcquiao fight, his corner says "Don't do anything stupid!"...so he switches to southpaw and goes to war with one of the biggest hitters below middleweight.

I think the closest I've seen in terms of the modern era has to be Jones - I mean a lot of his light-heavy opponents were weak, but he just looked astonishing in the way that Leonard and Robinson had. The Clinton Woods fight before he went up for Ruiz was an absolute exhibition.

But then Jones never had a credible explanation for his failed test, and tried to get the WBC to unrank Tarver so he didn't have to fight him. Those things tarnish him more than his current desperation to fight on.

The other one is Calderon - people queue up to fight Mayweather, but hardly anyone went looking for Calderon. He suffered, as all little guys do, from a weak division, but he was still winning 12-0 on all three cards well into his 30s.

I didn't become a serious boxing fan until the late '90s because I had no access to Sky's coverage, so before Jones I think I'd have Chavez, but he was already retired by the time I became a fan.

I think modern fighters have things far too much their own way - TV coverage, nutritionists, trainers, promoters, managers, strength coaches, lots of belts to go at, sanctioning bodies whose rankings can be bought etc. As a result, I think they don't have the same motivation anymore - no point fighting to your last breath to win the title - you'll get another turn in 6 months time.

But Robinson is the stick by which all others shall be judged - you basically couldn't build a better fighter.

Before my time but most boxing purists pick him as the greatest ever, I'm with you on Erik Morales though as he was and still is a legend, I find it hard to pick my favourite boxer ever but Erik is one of a few, I had a decent bet on Micky Ward at 11/4 v Shea Neary and i laid Ricky Hatton on Betfair for my biggest ever win because i new he was going to get smashed, I couldn't believe his price and how many people thought he was to big for Manny, I was the only one in the pub who cheered when he went down the second time through how much I'd won but also relief because i would have been broke if he'd won

[gavpowell]

I'd heard that rumour yes,it wouldn't surprise me because he was just to good, you still haven't told me who you would consider a phenom Gav?

Sorry, I missed that bit.

I don't really think there's anyone from the modern era so far - Morales has been so utterly wonderful throughout his career, pretty much never taking an easy fight when he could take a hard fight, and the only fighter I've ever known who really meant it when he said he fought for the fans - last round of the first PAcquiao fight, his corner says "Don't do anything stupid!"...so he switches to southpaw and goes to war with one of the biggest hitters below middleweight.

I think the closest I've seen in terms of the modern era has to be Jones - I mean a lot of his light-heavy opponents were weak, but he just looked astonishing in the way that Leonard and Robinson had. The Clinton Woods fight before he went up for Ruiz was an absolute exhibition.

But then Jones never had a credible explanation for his failed test, and tried to get the WBC to unrank Tarver so he didn't have to fight him. Those things tarnish him more than his current desperation to fight on.

The other one is Calderon - people queue up to fight Mayweather, but hardly anyone went looking for Calderon. He suffered, as all little guys do, from a weak division, but he was still winning 12-0 on all three cards well into his 30s.

I didn't become a serious boxing fan until the late '90s because I had no access to Sky's coverage, so before Jones I think I'd have Chavez, but he was already retired by the time I became a fan.

I think modern fighters have things far too much their own way - TV coverage, nutritionists, trainers, promoters, managers, strength coaches, lots of belts to go at, sanctioning bodies whose rankings can be bought etc. As a result, I think they don't have the same motivation anymore - no point fighting to your last breath to win the title - you'll get another turn in 6 months time.

But Robinson is the stick by which all others shall be judged - you basically couldn't build a better fighter.

[GeordieDS]

You realise Jones got caught juicing long before he moved to heavyweight? And the commission helped him cover it up.

I'd heard that rumour yes,it wouldn't surprise me because he was just to good, you still haven't told me who you would consider a phenom Gav?

[GeordieDS]

Only one I ever debated with was particle physics... I actually miss him

I'd say RJJ tarnished his legacy btw.

No this was on boxing forums mate not here, and yeah i agree he definitely did tarnish his legacy but in terms of power and ability he's the best i've seen,he was phenomenal and it sickens me he's still trying to fight

[gavpowell]

Roy Jones Jnr is the greatest boxer of my generation(pre juicing up for HW)
Then Floyd although i put them both in the top ten boxers ever

You realise Jones got caught juicing long before he moved to heavyweight? And the commission helped him cover it up.

[pottr]

Only one I ever debated with was particle physics... I actually miss him

I'd say RJJ tarnished his legacy btw.

[GeordieDS]

Did anybody on here ever get into any debates with a poster who called himself 'cutmemick' ? I went quite a few rounds with him he was mental

[GeordieDS]

So... You do agree that Floyd is the greatest of our generation?

Roy Jones Jnr is the greatest boxer of my generation(pre juicing up for HW)
Then Floyd although i put them both in the top ten boxers ever

[pottr]

So... You do agree that Floyd is the greatest of our generation?

[GeordieDS]

It would have been easy work for Floyd whenever they fought.



He beat Oscar, I have watched the fight back several times (including last night coz I'm a saddo). The first Castillo fight, I scored to Floyd but could have not argued against a draw. Mosely connected, but never won a round at all. If you think Floyd won't be the best because he ran from Manny and then beat him, then I feel you're letting your personal feelings on Floyd get in the way of analysing his boxing credentials...

I love an exciting fighter... But not everyone is an Aturo Gatti or a David Tua type, throwing hellacious shots from all over the place... But that is not all there is to boxing. Not to mention (again) that Floyd beat Gatti...

I'm not saying you can say he's the best ever... that's not the debate for me as it's hard to go across p4p 12vs15 rounds etc...

But I look at it this way... Everything evolves... Usain Bolt is quicker that Jesse Owens... Sportsmen are fitter and better at their craft than ever before and the same will be said of athletes 20 years from now...

For me, Floyd is the best fighter of this generation and that puts him in the conversation for best ever...

Anyone who disagrees with that... is simply wrong.


I thought that when Roy took on Virgil Hill... We all remember that performance.


Then you show yourself to be naïve my friend... it's always been about the money...

Only difference is... Social Media and the Internet highlights everything... Shows the hypocrisy of being a 'prize fighter'... The prize is and will always be 'money'.

I don't have a PC anymore hence why all my posts are really short because i find typing on the phone a real chew, all I'll say is everything I post is my own personal opinion and I'm not arguing because it's pointless because I'm right
I'm not that naive though because I've won a lot of money from boxing bets over the years from bookies who's odds compilers were also experts and new a lot more about boxing than me,so I'll continue with my lack of knowledge and naivety and carry on making lucky money

[pottr]

Manny was not supposed to be the antidote,it was always going to be an easy points win for Floyd at this stage of their careers as Manny has had more wars and is five years past his best, if they'd fought when they should have then it's a much tougher fight for Floyd

It would have been easy work for Floyd whenever they fought.

As a super featherweight Floyd is possibly the greatest boxer ever but he became to negative once he stepped up which put me off him as i like exciting fighters, he drew at best against Oscar, lost the first fight against Castillo, nearly got knocked out u a shot Mosley and ran from Manny for years and these are the reasons why he'll never be considered the best ever

He beat Oscar, I have watched the fight back several times (including last night coz I'm a saddo). The first Castillo fight, I scored to Floyd but could have not argued against a draw. Mosely connected, but never won a round at all. If you think Floyd won't be the best because he ran from Manny and then beat him, then I feel you're letting your personal feelings on Floyd get in the way of analysing his boxing credentials...

I love an exciting fighter... But not everyone is an Aturo Gatti or a David Tua type, throwing hellacious shots from all over the place... But that is not all there is to boxing. Not to mention (again) that Floyd beat Gatti...

I'm not saying you can say he's the best ever... that's not the debate for me as it's hard to go across p4p 12vs15 rounds etc...

But I look at it this way... Everything evolves... Usain Bolt is quicker that Jesse Owens... Sportsmen are fitter and better at their craft than ever before and the same will be said of athletes 20 years from now...

For me, Floyd is the best fighter of this generation and that puts him in the conversation for best ever...

Anyone who disagrees with that... is simply wrong.

RJJ would have had his toughest fight at SM if he fought Calzaghe imo, i don't think anyone stops Joe early ever, Roy wins though because he was just to good but he took steroids so he should be written from the record books

I thought that when Roy took on Virgil Hill... We all remember that performance.

I also might add even though I've been a boxing fan for ever i hate what it's become now, the money men have ****ing ruined the sport i love

Then you show yourself to be naïve my friend... it's always been about the money...

Only difference is... Social Media and the Internet highlights everything... Shows the hypocrisy of being a 'prize fighter'... The prize is and will always be 'money'.