The next British Heavyweight World Champion

[pottr]

Also, I'm not sure how well GGG's PPV will do

Going up against Floyd/Berto and Cotto/Canelo... If it doesn't do enough buys, then GGG's career is in danger of stalling again... Nothing to do with his talent, he's just not as marketable as the other fighters.

[pottr]

Granted

GGG, exciting fighter... Not fought a marquee name yet. I don't think that's his fault, he's certainly avoided at Middleweight...

Made himself look a bit of a twat by calling out Froch and then demanding a catch weight to fight Ward... Incidentally I feel both would beat him.

If he wants to unify at middleweight then I can only see Cotto giving him anything to worry about stylistically. GGG doesn't really fight from range or up close, he's more of a mid range ambusher with excellent range and timing... cuts off the ring really well. Cotto like to get in the pocket and work opponents with pressure and physicality... Unfortunately, Cotto fights Canelo next with GGG mandated to fight the winner... I don't think Cotto beats Canelo and I don't think Canelo matches up well vs GGG so I doubt we will see the GGG/Cotto match up... Boxing triangles don't work out.

If GGG moves up... I think he will get beat by 3 or 4 super middleweights... He is very hittable and there is no guarantee his power would carry... Arthur Abraham was a similar knockout artist before he moved up to Super Middle so there is an argument for that...

I think he might drop down to be honest after he unifies super middle... There are bigger fights for him at that weight in the future... Potentially Lara, Kell Brook, Andrade...

If he moves up to Super middle then the only money fight for him is Ward and I think GGG simply wants no part of him.

[billabong]

although not as classic as the doctor asking Hagler if he could see ok. . . .

[pottr]

It's the classic Floyd to Merchant "you don't know **** about boxing"

[billabong]

ahh, get it now, the K threw me for a moment. .

What's your take on Golovkin btw ?

[pottr]

More of a statement

Feel free to retort... Who is a more worthy fighter with a claim to be greatest of our generation?

[billabong]

Then I would withdraw entirely coz clearly YDKSAB xx

Ahh the oxymoron that is "clearly YDKSAB" lol

[pottr]

I don't like Floyd Mayweather's character...

But he is undeniably the best fighter of our generation... Transcends the sport in a way that even Tyson didn't.

Castillo, Corrales, Hernandez, De la Hoya, Judah, Moseley, a peak Hatton, Marquez

An undefeated Canelo. Miguel Cotto, both of whom went on to win world titles after Floyd beat them.

Who hasn't he fought? I guess you could only say Paul Williams or Margarito?

He beat the pound for pound number 2 last time out and dominated... When was the last time a champion fought a p4p number 2?

20 odd World title defences... Zero losses, who comes close?

Floyd's character has nothing to do with his ability in the ring.
TBE? Maybe not, but he is definitely in the conversation for sure...

Pacquiao is an all time great... But not the tsunami you mention for sure... Excellently managed and never solidified himself in any division. Catch weight king.

If you think Manny stacks up versus FMjr in terms of skill or legacy... Then I would withdraw entirely coz clearly YDKSAB xx

[GeordieDS]

Yeah, he went through eight weight divisions, great. As I detail in the link above, he did it in a very opportunistic way - catchweight against a past-it Margarito with eye injuries, while weighing less than the welterweight limit, lightweight against the weakest champ. And when he captured titles at soke of these weights, against whom did he defend them? Well, often he didn't, preferring to skip to a different division. It's akin to Roy Jones beating Ruiz - move up and take out a sitting-duck "champion" and then move on before anyone cam think about opponents. Adrien Broner has titles in three divisions for Christ's sake, and he's a hack.

Morales was pretty much done by the time Pacquiao got to him, or do you believe Zahir Raheem is also a legend for beating Morales?

Pacquiao isn't a midget compared to Morales either - he's a couple of inches shorter, but about the same height as Barrera. Morales and Mayweather are the same height, too. Mayweather has conquered five divisions, including beating Manny Pacquiao, but he's not in contention for the greatest of all time either.

I know my boxing, I just don't buy into the propaganda about Pacquiao - hell of a fighter, but not some once-in-a-liftetime phenom.

So who is then?

[gavpowell]

Sorry Gav but anybody who slates Manny don't know boxing,he's a legend plain and simple who's ducked nobody and went through how many weight divisions?

Yeah, he went through eight weight divisions, great. As I detail in the link above, he did it in a very opportunistic way - catchweight against a past-it Margarito with eye injuries, while weighing less than the welterweight limit, lightweight against the weakest champ. And when he captured titles at soke of these weights, against whom did he defend them? Well, often he didn't, preferring to skip to a different division. It's akin to Roy Jones beating Ruiz - move up and take out a sitting-duck "champion" and then move on before anyone cam think about opponents. Adrien Broner has titles in three divisions for Christ's sake, and he's a hack.

Morales was pretty much done by the time Pacquiao got to him, or do you believe Zahir Raheem is also a legend for beating Morales?

Pacquiao isn't a midget compared to Morales either - he's a couple of inches shorter, but about the same height as Barrera. Morales and Mayweather are the same height, too. Mayweather has conquered five divisions, including beating Manny Pacquiao, but he's not in contention for the greatest of all time either.

I know my boxing, I just don't buy into the propaganda about Pacquiao - hell of a fighter, but not some once-in-a-liftetime phenom.

[GeordieDS]

He beat Barrera fair and square, but Morales was antique by then and was basically spent after the third Barrera fight. And he still managed to beat Pacquiao first time around, managing to go to the well one last time. By time the second rolled around, he was basically done, having looked very sorry for himself against Raheem, and Pacquiao had improved somewhat. The third was an embarrassment for my favourite fighter of all time.

Pacquiao has some excellent wins against great fighters, as does Mayweather(Castillo, De La Hoya, Corrales Hernandez), but Pacquiao has cherrypicked his way through many of the divisions he contested, taking on either lesser opposition or making sure when he did fight them, he had some advantage such as dictating their weight/hydration limit.

I wrote a summary of Pacquiao's career after the last Marquez fight, taking it weight-by-weight.

http://www.koboxingforum.com/threads...san#post125034

Sorry Gav but anybody who slates Manny don't know boxing,he's a legend plain and simple who's ducked nobody and went through how many weight divisions? Yes he bashed your hero but EL Terrible was my favourite boxer as well and i watched in awe as this midget started to break him down, he's a freak and along with Morales,Hearns,Hagler,Leonard he's one of my favourite ever fighters, now Floyd is a horrible piece of **** and i hope he dissapears after his final joke fight with Berto

[gavpowell]

Sorry mate comparing Manny to Floyd in cherry picking terms is just wrong, anyone who steps up in weight and beats Morales and Barrera is a legend in my eyes

He beat Barrera fair and square, but Morales was antique by then and was basically spent after the third Barrera fight. And he still managed to beat Pacquiao first time around, managing to go to the well one last time. By time the second rolled around, he was basically done, having looked very sorry for himself against Raheem, and Pacquiao had improved somewhat. The third was an embarrassment for my favourite fighter of all time.

Pacquiao has some excellent wins against great fighters, as does Mayweather(Castillo, De La Hoya, Corrales Hernandez), but Pacquiao has cherrypicked his way through many of the divisions he contested, taking on either lesser opposition or making sure when he did fight them, he had some advantage such as dictating their weight/hydration limit.

I wrote a summary of Pacquiao's career after the last Marquez fight, taking it weight-by-weight.

http://www.koboxingforum.com/threads...san#post125034

[GeordieDS]

Mayweather has been one of the worst cherrypickers in history - his entire post-lightweight career is based on very careful selection of opponents. As a result, he'll be nowhere near the top of the list when the greatest ever boxers are discussed. Prime example is his pathetic choice of Berto for his "farewell" fight.

Pacquiao is the same - when he did fight genuinely top-flight opponents, he tended to impose weight restrictions or rehydration clauses etc. I am getting sick and tired of fighters contesting title fights at catchweights - if you can't manage on a level playing field, stop trying to play.

Can't agree with you on Chisora, pottr - he's long past his best and wasn't fantastic to start with - should have got the decision vs Helenius and did well to survive Klitschko, but Haye smashed him to bits and I think Wilder's power is probably as explosive as it looks. I'll be amazed if he beats Povetkin though.

Sorry mate comparing Manny to Floyd in cherry picking terms is just wrong, anyone who steps up in weight and beats Morales and Barrera is a legend in my eyes

[GeordieDS]

You might get Kovalev vs Stevenson or Kovalev v Beterbiev, otherwise the better action fights are in the flyweight area, with the likes of Roman Gonzalez.

Kovalev v Ward - would be good to see the master tactician against the beast Kovalev

Lomachenko v Rigondeux - this is the fight i want to see,two superstars with insane skills

[GeordieDS]

I take it we won't see a hagler vs hearns from 2 world class boxers, anytime soon then ?

Not at heavyweight but there are some awesome fights at other weights