New Black Heart layered tip

[MikeWooldridge]

What if the BH is the best tip on the planet? What if it can do things other tips can't?

what? like make a cup of tea? or give you a blow job?

seriously, what could it possibly do that other laminated tips like moori, kamui and talisman can't do?

apart from maybe not delaminate...

but spending £15 on a tip is foolish?!

a little bit...

The tip is the most important part of the cue, it's the only part that contacts the ball.

really? thanks for bringing that to my attention pp ...

It might be ok putting a crap blue diamond or elk on a £50 ROS cue, but to my mind, if you've got a great Parris, TW, or even MW, you put the best piece of leather around on the cue. You don't stick remoulds on a Rolls Royce. So many folk have this lack of reason when it comes to tips.

actually, it's never ok to put a crap tip on any cue imo. a good tip makes a world of difference of course.

and you are quite right that you should put the best piece of leather on a cue.

so why would you choose a tip made of reject thin slivers of leather that are not good enough quality to use for a single layer pressed tip, and that are all held together by glue?

glue i might add that at some point during the tip's life will show in various stages and possibly increase miscues, leave marks on the cue ball, or delaminate as they often do.

just saying...

[perpetualboredom]

Just like these ones.. http://www.handmadecues.com/extras/23-laminatedtips.htm

[Particle Physics]

what? like make a cup of tea? or give you a blow job?

seriously, what could it possibly do that other laminated tips like moori, kamui and talisman can't do?

apart from maybe not delaminate...



a little bit...




really? thanks for bringing that to my attention pp ...



actually, it's never ok to put a crap tip on any cue imo. a good tip makes a world of difference of course.

and you are quite right that you should put the best piece of leather on a cue.

so why would you choose a tip made of reject thin slivers of leather that are not good enough quality to use for a single layer pressed tip, and that are all held together by glue?

glue i might add that at some point during the tip's life will show in various stages and possibly increase miscues, leave marks on the cue ball, or delaminate as they often do.

just saying...

Yes, a good tip could improve a ROS replica cue 100%, and that's even more reason to go with something that is consistently good, which won't be an Elk or BD, too many bad ones in every box to take a chance. Obviously, Kamui etc use pigskin which is somewhat different, and thinner, so layers are necessary, and with strong glue, we get a hard tip that lasts and is the same from one tip to the next. According to the blurb, Black Heart have gone the same route, though they appear to have treated the bore layers so that the tip is actually soft and transmits 'feel', making it a great tip amongst the balls for the deftest of shots. Often, a Talisman can feel unfeeling on delicate shots and if you play a really delicate shot, a miscue can occur because the tip gives up little on contact with the ball. They also slow bake the tip, so the tip will behave differently to other pigskin laminates. Another consideration is that chalk binds poorly to some laminated tips, Omin being an exception IME.

So, can the BH Stroke tip provide increased feel, chalk up nicely, provide a consistent hit time after time and across different tips, not delaminate, and still be superior for spin shots?

Because if it can, it will be the best laminate yet, better than an Elk or BD out of the box, and it really will be worth £15. We shall have to wait and see the reviews because no-one here knows, if they're being honest.

[MikeWooldridge]

Just like these ones.. http://www.handmadecues.com/extras/23-laminatedtips.htm

clever boy!

similar concept, but mine are quarter the price. so no, completely different to the point of my comments which is mainly pricing.

they are also the ones i do not recommend, as can be testified by the large number of people who have asked via email which to buy.

produced simply to satisfy the demand of people who insist on laminated cos, illogically, they actually think that glueing leather together is better than solid, highest quality, leather.

[Giggity1984]

It wasn't a car analogy, it was a tyre analogy. I wouldn't fit rubbish tyres or remoulds to any car, regardless of how much it cost. Brake and tyres are the most important things there are on a car. And likewise, the tip on a snooker cue is also very important. So don't put up with poor tips when better tips are out there.

I actually did have a tyre analogy ready, but thought that would be too geeky. lol.

[buddfridgeman]

Its a lot of money for a tip I guess it could be worth more than some cues ..

[Particle Physics]

Its a lot of money for a tip I guess it could be worth more than some cues ..

This is true. I'm eagerly awaiting the arrival of their new product to test on friends cues. If it's the dogs danglies, folk will know!

[Particle Physics]

clever boy!

similar concept, but mine are quarter the price. so no, completely different to the point of my comments which is mainly pricing.

they are also the ones i do not recommend, as can be testified by the large number of people who have asked via email which to buy.

produced simply to satisfy the demand of people who insist on laminated cos, illogically, they actually think that glueing leather together is better than solid, highest quality, leather.

Yeah, all the pros who play with laminates must feel pretty stupid. Yawn..........................................

[Raldon]

Yeah, all the pros who play with laminates must feel pretty stupid. Yawn..........................................

I dont think much pros playing laminates.

After a long time testing different type of tips ive decided to spend no more money on laminates.
I had much more problems than with pressed tips overall.
Just an example: one bad miscue can destroy laminates much easier than a pressed one. And yes, i have miscues from time to time because i am just a normal player like 95 % of us.

[Dave Walton]

There's a reason why the likes of Ronnie, Robertson and a lot of other pros have went back to using elks and other pressed tips like Mike's super tips, blue diamond, diamond plus, pro granite etc and its because they allow you to play a full range of shots. Look no further than Stephen Hendry who used elks his whole career, a good elk or bd is all you really need. I'm mainly an 8ball player but for me pressed tips are better to play with than layered tips. Its all personal preferance though

[Particle Physics]

There's a reason why the likes of Ronnie, Robertson and a lot of other pros have went back to using elks and other pressed tips like Mike's super tips, blue diamond, diamond plus, pro granite etc and its because they allow you to play a full range of shots. Look no further than Stephen Hendry who used elks his whole career, a good elk or bd is all you really need. I'm mainly an 8ball player but for me pressed tips are better to play with than layered tips. Its all personal preferance though

A lot of folk who play pool play with BDs and elks. The problem in snooker is that a bad one (and most of them in the box are iffy) ruins a game, because the shots require more force, spin, and the balls are bigger and heavier. This is the reason to go for layered pigskin; it does what it says it will do every time, so you're not taking a chance. ROS did not use a regular elk either, he used an old elk off a pool stick, shaved down from 13mm, by a specialist tip fitter. This was a relatively played in elk, and probably quite hard as elks go. Do we all have time to raid pubs and persuade the landlord to cut a tip off for us, should we be lucky enough to find a good one? This is why some players like lammys, consistency. The other thing about lammys that folk like is their hardness. As ADR says, one should play with the hardest tip one can manage. BDs and Elks aren't hard, unless you go to all the trouble of baking them, microwaving them, soaking them in weird concoctions, etc. I'm not saying lammys are for everyone, just like single layer tips aren't for everyone, it's a matter of taste. But folk like MW shouldn't be poo pooing them because they don't believe that in theory a lammy isn't any good. It's up to each player to find their own tip of choice and experiment along the way. As for the full range of shots argument, I really don't believe it. There are shots you can play with a lammy that elks and BDs are incapable of producing. I don't know of any top pros who use BDs, BD plus, PGs. Some use elks I admit. Don't forget that BDs, BD plus and PGs are layered tips! Only the PGs tend to not fall apart, because GBL glue them together properly. It's the only buffalo tip I'd play with again. As for MW's supertips, they sound worth a go at some point too. I'm just going to keep an open mind about tips. Looking fwd to testing the new BH tip this August.

[hotpot]

I thought bd plus and pg were pressed tips not layered .

[craigslater]

New Black Heart layered tip

The PG is pressed, still havent receievd any samples from BH after waiting more than a week...

[poona]

Perhaps I'm just a really really lucky guy but the past 20 or more Elks (all purchased from different sources) I have put on my cue(s) have all been fine. I haven't came across any of these 'bad' elks that I hear people speak of.

I've been able to pop in 50, 60, 70 breaks with them all. Maybe my game just isn't at the level required to spot the difference (HB 123)

To me, there seems to be an over analysis of tips and how they're made. The Elks are just fine, they are cheap, readily available, give good feedback and are easy to shape. But like I said, perhaps I've just been lucky...

[hotpot]

With a break as high as yours i would say you must be a good enough player to feel the difference , certain tips will suit certain cues so it is an individual feeling and preference rather than one make suits all .