Toss. Humidity is something you want to eliminate from playing conditions, not encourage. You can brush, block and iron a cloth perfectly well without having to add water. So don't. It's a bad idea.
That appears to be the expert opinion.
Idiot trolls probably take a different view to gain attention.
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Originally Posted by maryfield View PostNo I'm not missing the point. I played snooker, Probably to a higher standard than you. Owned a club for 30 yrs where I've cleaned and maintained tables. And for good measure been a fitter for 20 yrs. Therefore I can state with a degree of certainty that I've forgotten more about tables and caring for tables than you will ever know. As far as giving you time and effort by trying to educate you, in the words of Duncan Bannantyne 'I'm oot'
Thankyou for your advice nonetheless.Last edited by barrywhite; 26 January 2016, 10:30 PM.
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No I'm not missing the point. I played snooker, Probably to a higher standard than you. Owned a club for 30 yrs where I've cleaned and maintained tables. And for good measure been a fitter for 20 yrs. Therefore I can state with a degree of certainty that I've forgotten more about tables and caring for tables than you will ever know. As far as giving you time and effort by trying to educate you, in the words of Duncan Bannantyne 'I'm oot'
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Originally Posted by maryfield View PostYou seem to be missing the point. Geoff is advising against wet blocking as it causes the cloth to harden which makes it impossible to stretch the wear marks when re-stretching cloth. I would defer to Terry Griffiths with respect to playing, technique etc. But as for table fitting I doubt he`s fitted many cloths. Horses for courses.
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You seem to be missing the point. Geoff is advising against wet blocking as it causes the cloth to harden which makes it impossible to stretch the wear marks when re-stretching cloth. I would defer to Terry Griffiths with respect to playing, technique etc. But as for table fitting I doubt he`s fitted many cloths. Horses for courses.
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Originally Posted by maryfield View PostGeoff when are you going to learn. Forget the 40 years experience you`ve gained and learn from the real experts.
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Geoff when are you going to learn. Forget the 40 years experience you`ve gained and learn from the real experts.
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Originally Posted by Geoff Large View PostYou can always tell a table that has been misted or damped down
the cloth is like cardboard on the re-stretch due to chalk dust binding together in the weave
I have always stated that wool napped cloth should not be damped down or misted or even Starch sprayed on it as some on here have used too .
The only reason people have damped a cloth is to bring some colour back into it as damp cloth is darker than dry cloth , but it will soon goes back to faded used colour when dry
one reason a damped cloth may play faster is when people iron the cloth being as it is wool damp cloth will shrink and become tighter on the bed making a ball roll faster , but the area's of wear at the fall will not be moved like on a re-stretch , stretching is the professional way of speeding a cloth up and also moving the areas of wear of tracking lines down the slate falls , if you use spray or damp cloth this prevents the fitter getting hose areas of wear on the pocket openings way down the fall
After misting, the colour doesn't change on our table because we double iron to make sure no moisture is left. It's drier after double ironing that before we walked in the room and misted it.
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You can always tell a table that has been misted or damped down
the cloth is like cardboard on the re-stretch due to chalk dust binding together in the weave
I have always stated that wool napped cloth should not be damped down or misted or even Starch sprayed on it as some on here have used too .
The only reason people have damped a cloth is to bring some colour back into it as damp cloth is darker than dry cloth , but it will soon goes back to faded used colour when dry
one reason a damped cloth may play faster is when people iron the cloth being as it is wool damp cloth will shrink and become tighter on the bed making a ball roll faster , but the area's of wear at the fall will not be moved like on a re-stretch , stretching is the professional way of speeding a cloth up and also moving the areas of wear of tracking lines down the slate falls , if you use spray or damp cloth this prevents the fitter getting hose areas of wear on the pocket openings way down the fall
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Originally Posted by Geoff Large View PostOne thing that makes damping cloth a questionable thing
why do they have heaters under the table ?
the answer is to keep moisture content down and by doing this the cloth plays faster , so why damp or fine mist the cloth ?
If you read my thread on why I think damping is bad you will also get some pointers from that , most do it to bring the colour back into the cloth and that is the main reason really it has no other benefits
Not everyone, in fact most clubs don't have heaters. We have to adapt the equipment we've got Geoff. We can avoid misting and put up with a slower table or we can mist and get up to the speeds we see on tv. Which is useful for folk who wish to practice for pro/am tournaments or attend Q school.
@markz, if they can't work out how to do a table, the owner should throw them out! Only kidding, some folk are scared of burning a table which isn't a risk at all, even on Dowsing no.9 for pure wool, as long as you keep the iron moving at a nice pace. If you also bear two hands down on the iron and use it the wrong way round, you can impart more pressure and get the nap flatter.
Anyone should be able to brush a table and block from the baulk down, so they should be able to at least that before playing, if not the ironing.Last edited by barrywhite; 25 January 2016, 08:21 AM.
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Originally Posted by Geoff Large View PostOne thing that makes damping cloth a questionable thing
why do they have heaters under the table ?
the answer is to keep moisture content down and by doing this the cloth plays faster , so why damp or fine mist the cloth ?
If you read my thread on why I think damping is bad you will also get some pointers from that , most do it to bring the colour back into the cloth and that is the main reason really it has no other benefits
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One thing that makes damping cloth a questionable thing
why do they have heaters under the table ?
the answer is to keep moisture content down and by doing this the cloth plays faster , so why damp or fine mist the cloth ?
If you read my thread on why I think damping is bad you will also get some pointers from that , most do it to bring the colour back into the cloth and that is the main reason really it has no other benefits
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Originally Posted by pottr View PostGeoff Large - 40 years fitting experience, I'll take his advice.
You used to sing delicious ballads, pal. Leave snooker to the ones with experience x
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Geoff Large - 40 years fitting experience, I'll take his advice.
You used to sing delicious ballads, pal. Leave snooker to the ones with experience x
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Originally Posted by pottr View PostNever ever ever add water to the cloth. Too much moisture in a cloth can turn chalk into a paste and when it dries the cumulative affect will turn the cloth brittle and it will wear quicker.
It might seem like a short term benefit, as a wet cloth will slide a bit more, but the long term damage offsets that benefit.
Not sure about turning chalk into a paste. As you know when the cloth comes off, the chalk is underneath. If you brush the bloth properly before blocking, the should be little chalk on the surface and the surface is where the mist lands.
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