cue arm&shoulder

[guernseygooner]

Just my opinion but I think you are chasing something that could be detrimental to your game. The various pics of pros with elbows inside/outside vertical, shoulder hidden/partially hidden illustrates this.

Far more important to find a set up for you that gets cue, bridge, head, grip on the same line no matter what it looks like. Then tons of practice!

[itsnoteasy]

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They're not perfectly aligned. Just very easy to cover the shoulder with the head, because they both use the perfect eye to help cover the shoulder.

Ted I think these two have a perfect set up, they are perfectly online, they just sight under one eye. Look at Trump if you draw a line straight up the centre of the cue ball perfectly vertical I bet it runs right through head shoulder and arm, even his grip hand that you can just see, it's just that he sights with his right eye.
P.s. Look how far over their bum and hips are.

[itsnoteasy]

For me it doesn't matter, I would rather my grip hand be online and my bridge hand be online , because that means my cue is online, so if I can deliver it straight happy days. If your elbow looks good but your grip hand is slightly out you may struggle to pot balls, of course it would be nice to have the ideal set up, but it's been shown the pros don't manage it all the time and they seem to struggle along quite nicely, this is just my opinion and I wouldn't take much notice of it lol.

[malc999uk]

Excellent thread this one, and since I have been experimenting with my alignment using the advice in this thread I have noticed a definite improvement in my potting accuracy. Before I read this thread my shoulder and elbow stuck out in a similar way to this picture of Joe Perry:-

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....and since following the advice of this thread my alignment has changed to something very similar to this picture of Barry Hawkins, i.e. my shoulder is just slightly sticking out, but my upper elbow is angled towards my body with the elbow directly above the cue:-

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I know this picture wasn't taken directly in front of the cue, but its the best photo I could find to illustrate my question, which is if the shoulder is slightly off line but the elbow is directly on line then is this good enough? My thinking is that when feathering and during the final delivery if the forearm is pivoting off the elbow then really all the one needs to do is to make sure that the elbow is on the line of aim? So the my question to the coaches and knowledgeable folk who contribute this forum - is my thinking correct or flawed?

[tomlimcj]

if your grip is not hitting the table during delivery, then you are not too low. the only thing to worry about is pushing that elbow high on purpose until it spoils everything...

[DandyA]

I think a main part of my problem is that I sight with my right eye. This means I have to get my head over closer to my body, which makes covering up the shoulder more difficult. I actually don't think many people have this "perfect alignment", it's just that their shoulder is covered up by the head, which makes it look pleasing to the eye.

it's an interesting discussion on this thread and very well done to you for your efforts tedisbill and to everyone who's advised you, especially hsn ... but I do wonder how important "perfect alignment" is ... I'd certainly rate a rock solid stance and keeping your head perfectly still above that ...

and then there's physique or age ... everyone's body is different, tall broad shouldered people are going to have more trouble with "perfect alignment" than shorter less broad people ... and age makes people less flexible ... I'm the same age as Steve Davis and I tried adopting your new stance and it jolly well hurt! but that's me and not you ...

[tedisbill]

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They're not perfectly aligned. Just very easy to cover the shoulder with the head, because they both use the perfect eye to help cover the shoulder.

[tedisbill]

I think a main part of my problem is that I sight with my right eye. This means I have to get my head over closer to my body, which makes covering up the shoulder more difficult. I actually don't think many people have this "perfect alignment", it's just that their shoulder is covered up by the head, which makes it look pleasing to the eye.

[tedisbill]

only so much you can do here, plus your got everyone having there say and you've gotta find the good stuff. if you listened to all the chatters here you'll get nowhere. if i wanted to be a good player this is the last place id look for help, you need someone at the table with you.

Couldn't agree more mate.

[j6uk]

only so much you can do here, plus your got everyone having there say and you've gotta find the good stuff. if you listened to all the chatters here you'll get nowhere. if i wanted to be a good player this is the last place id look for help, you need someone at the table with you.

[tedisbill]

Awww Ted, gutted pal, probably the best thing though.

only way to go

Yep! I need somebody who can see exactly what I'm doing wrong now. No point in bodging this. It's needs to be done right.

[j6uk]

I've given up and booked coaching.

only way to go

[itsnoteasy]

Awww Ted, gutted pal, probably the best thing though.

[tedisbill]

I've given up and booked coaching.

[Terry Davidson]

Looking at your photos again I can see that your right leg is not quite vertical to the ground. This is the main reason why you are experiencing so much tension with your new alignment.

Experiment with moving your right foot towards your body to make your leg absolutely vertical to the ground. This could also resolve your body weight distribution issue.

Here is a good explanation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSNqNbvekhc

Don't agree with having the right leg vertical in either plane. The right hip should be behind the right foot and also the right hip has to be to the left of the right foot otherwise the hip would be in the way of the cue coming back.

Terry