The Masters Jan 11 - 18, 2015

[cueman]

Well Dennis Taylor just said he's watched all the players down the years and he's not seen a player with more cue power!

Anyway casting all this aside, does anyone else think that Maguire needs to be warned about banging his cue on the floor every time he plays a bad shot or something goes wrong. Its a deliberate tactic to intimidate the opponent in my opinion and I think its ungentlemenly conduct and should be warned under that ruling.

[narl]

Hmmm very debatable if you are calling those deep screw shots, they are both aided, in White's case by the object ball close to the cushion and the spin and side takes effect once the white hits the cushion. In higgins case that red hit potted was screwed off a pack of about 13 reds again exacerbating the effect of the spin because of the contact on the other balls creating a cushion like spring effect.

I've watched more snooker than most and trust me, I know what I say is correct, you can see countless examples of Trump's cue power, direct screw shots with supreme accuracy. Tables are a little more responsive today but its the accuracy I'm talking about too. Trump used to play these shots on club tables when he was a junior with old cloths, I've witnessed it with my own eyes.

Really doesn't matter, over the years white and higgins played loads of those kind of shots, they weren't known for cue power (amongst other things) for no reason.

And the only reason you can see "countless shots" of trump playing lots of these shots is 2 fold

1. He does them all the time.

2. We're in an internet age where video compilations of that kind of thing are more common and easier to find than stuff from the 70's, 80's and 90's.

Tables are MUCH more responsive these days than they were in higgins and whites hayday, the cloth has got finer and finer over the years and the tables back then weren't heated which obviously also helps with speed. Steve Davis once said the modern tables and cloth was like playing on ice compared to what he used to play on.

[Leo]

Trump has definitely gone off the boil. I am not complaining though since I put a small bet on Mags. Hoping he can wrap things up easily

Same here mine is a double I need to come in though

[Alba_]

Hmmm very debatable if you are calling those deep screw shots, they are both aided, in White's case by the object ball close to the cushion and the spin and side takes effect once the white hits the cushion. In higgins case that red hit potted was screwed off a pack of about 13 reds again exaggerating the effect of the spin because of the contact on the other balls creating a cushion like spring effect.

I've watched more snooker than most and trust me, I know what I say is correct, you can see countless examples of Trump's cue power, direct screw shots with supreme accuracy. Tables are a little more responsive today but its the accuracy I'm talking about too. Trump used to play these shots on club tables when he was a junior with old cloths, I've witnessed it with my own eyes.

Yer arse

[cueman]

Matter of opinion if White and the others played on bigger pockets, if seen plenty of people casting doubt on the supposed tightness of the pockets that players play on these days. And if you've not seen white play screw shots over 10 feet plus then you must not have watched that much snooker throughout the years. There's also the fact that the tables were much slower in the 80's and 90's than they are today so playing those kind of shots required much more power, which in turn required much more accuracy.

This vid at the 1:10 mark shows white playing a long range screw shot from around 10 feet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yp-TeVaTEs

This vid at the 1:08 mark shows higgins doing it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocHpavzr8lE

Both played on older tables with much slower cloth.

Hmmm very debatable if you are calling those deep screw shots, they are both aided, in White's case by the object ball close to the cushion and the spin and side takes effect once the white hits the cushion. In higgins case that red hit potted was screwed off a pack of about 13 reds again exaggerating the effect of the spin because of the contact on the other balls creating a cushion like spring effect.

I've watched more snooker than most and trust me, I know what I say is correct, you can see countless examples of Trump's cue power, direct screw shots with supreme accuracy. Tables are a little more responsive today but its the accuracy I'm talking about too. Trump used to play these shots on club tables when he was a junior with old cloths, I've witnessed it with my own eyes.

[bingo]

Trump has definitely gone off the boil. I am not complaining though since I put a small bet on Mags. Hoping he can wrap things up easily

[robertmac]

Trump will lose unless he starts to focus more
and play much better and put together some
good breaks. He isnt playing well at all.

[narl]

really because I've never seen a player hit the balls with such power and accuracy in the game before. Don't talk to me about Jimmy White either, he played on much bigger pockets when he was doing his exhibition shots and I've never seen White play deep screw backs over 10ft like Judd does.

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Matter of opinion if White and the others played on bigger pockets, if seen plenty of people casting doubt on the supposed tightness of the pockets that players play on these days. And if you've not seen white play screw shots over 10 feet plus then you must not have watched that much snooker throughout the years. There's also the fact that the tables were much slower in the 80's and 90's than they are today so playing those kind of shots required much more power, which in turn required much more accuracy.

This vid at the 1:10 mark shows white playing a long range screw shot from around 10 feet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yp-TeVaTEs

This vid at the 1:08 mark shows higgins doing it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocHpavzr8lE

Both played on older tables with much slower cloth.

[cueman]

It has turned into a scrappy game. I thought it would be big breaks and good safety but it has been poor tbh. Mags has dragged trump down.

Frames can go that way in any match to be fair. In a way I never expected fireworks in this match, Trump seems uncomfortable at the Masters more than at any tournament on the calendar, I've never seen him perform well there, a bit like John Higgins who for a long time never produced in this event either.

[travisbickle]

Steve Davis strong point at school wasn't maths! Saying during the break it takes 24 pots to make a century lol! It's 25 pots Steve

[Alba_]

It has turned into a scrappy game. I thought it would be big breaks and good safety but it has been poor tbh. Mags has dragged trump down.

[daffie]

This is why snooker is so challenging...

...and so utterly enjoyable to watch.

[bingo]

What a bad opening shot by Mags -.-

[cueman]

2-2 it is...Trump must be thinking wtf happened?! And Mags is counting his blessings.

This is why snooker is so challenging, you can be playing so much better than the opponent but a little rub of luck here and there can really change the dynamic of a match. Maguire so lucky after that bad long pot where he split the reds not to leave a straightforward red, Judd has one red to pot, finishes on the cushion and then misses a tricky green and leaves Maguire perfect. Too often in this game luck determines the outcome of a frame, mentally you need to be so strong but there are very few that don't get affected by it.

[robertmac]

Trump should be 4-0 ahead but he lost his
concentration on a couple of shots.
Hopefully he can regroup and take the match.