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Any chance Ng plays considerably worse when playing against men in this kind of tournament and does not produce anything like her best?
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A good start for Jimmy 10-6 win, plenty of work still to do in a tight group with Perry through 10-1, Georgiou through 10-4 & Davis through 10-1
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So far the higher ranked players are 25-1. The only favorite to lose so far is Mark Joyce to Adam Duffy. It just goes to show how absurd best of 7s are.
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Originally Posted by Stony152 View PostIt is interesting that she has been so competitive against world class players in world championship qualifying and yet she's done so poorly in Q School against lesser players. It's a shame that there aren't a few other women players who can play at a decent level. The standard is so low compared to men that it's really embarrassing to watch.
It's really no different in darts. Maybe even worse, because no woman would stand a chance against any PDC player.
I remember reading the theory that historically men, as hunters, had to develop good hand to eye co-ordination. That's why they are better at snooker and darts and other games that don't require physical strength. I believe that shooting at the Olympics used to have men and women competing against each other and women held their own. Women also hold their own with men in equestrian events.
It's an interesting topic, but back to the qualifying. Go Jimmy!!!!!
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Li and Hugill in a decider. Anthony Hamilton continuing the comeback.
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Originally Posted by Odrl View PostTo be honest, I am probably not the right person to answer that, as I don't really follow the amateur scene at all. But the thing is, Q School is open to players of any gender, so if someone really had the ability to compete against players from the top half of the main tour, they would have every chance of qualifying. Especially those who live in the UK and can basically give it a shot every year without having to travel.
It's really no different in darts. Maybe even worse, because no woman would stand a chance against any PDC player.
I remember reading the theory that historically men, as hunters, had to develop good hand to eye co-ordination. That's why they are better at snooker and darts and other games that don't require physical strength. I believe that shooting at the Olympics used to have men and women competing against each other and women held their own. Women also hold their own with men in equestrian events.
It's an interesting topic, but back to the qualifying. Go Jimmy!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Stony152 View PostOver the last two years she's 2-4 against Ng in tournaments that are in the snooker.org database. She's also really struggled in Q School and has lost to quite a few men not on tour. Maybe we are overrating her.
I don't know how Evans has lost to Ng, the only two matches of them on YouTube are both won by Evans, one of them very comfortably, which is what I would expect. Probably the frames have gone scrappy somehow. But it's obvious from watching them play that Evans plays a far stronger game.
I'm not sure we are overrating Evans. She would definitely find it a struggle on the men's tour and lose a lot more than she won, as I said. But she's certainly not far away from being competitive.
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Originally Posted by Stony152 View PostI'm curios where you would rank her Odrl. Top 150? Top 200? Top 300 or even lower than that?
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Originally Posted by wake_up_bomb View PostI don't know that she does lose to her half of the time, I have no idea what their head to head is. As for why Ng would beat her at all, I have no idea, because there is no way she could possibly beat Robin Hull or run Dominic Dale and Ken Doherty close. Evans is quite obviously far, far stronger than her.
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Originally Posted by Stony152 View PostWhy do you think she loses to Ng half of the time?
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Originally Posted by wake_up_bomb View PostNot only is she the best of all-time of her gender, she is an absolute country mile better than anyone else. She's a respectable standard player, she's played several strong players and given them all a run for her money.
Where she falls down from what I have seen of her is that she doesn't score heavily enough, and I think a large part of that is mentality. She doesn't need to score heavily in the women's game. She needs to work with a top coach or player on that part of her game, and not settle for her current style, which is somewhat conservative. She has the ability to make it on the main tour.
The problem is that, in common with many other less-established players, if she were to go on the main tour now, she would lose far more than she'd win. So she'd have to learn to deal with that. But she definitely has the potential to be top 50.
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She's 31-38 in frames in four matches in world championship qualifying against players ranked between 41 and 81. Not a huge sample size, but it suggests that she could be competitive on tour if given another chance.
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