the penalty points are clearly defined in the Rules and there is a definition repeated a few times "value of ball on or higher value"
in your scenario - ball on Red, ball first hit - Blue - penalty points = 5 for the blue,
subsequent contacts do not count
subsequent pocketing do count (i.e the Blue hit then knocks the Black in to a pocket) - penalty points = 7
the refereee call will be "Foul" then wait for all balls to come to rest; "Five" for the Blue foul, and "Seven" for the Black
in Pro matches the Referee, says "Foul, Joe Bloggs (end of break score), Ronnie O'Sullivan five" when Joe Bloggs fouls at the end of a break.
in your scenario - ball on Red, ball first hit - Blue - penalty points = 5 for the blue,
subsequent contacts do not count
subsequent pocketing do count (i.e the Blue hit then knocks the Black in to a pocket) - penalty points = 7
the refereee call will be "Foul" then wait for all balls to come to rest; "Five" for the Blue foul, and "Seven" for the Black
in Pro matches the Referee, says "Foul, Joe Bloggs (end of break score), Ronnie O'Sullivan five" when Joe Bloggs fouls at the end of a break.
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