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is this a free ball, i got told no .....
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Originally Posted by blahblah01 View PostDid he say Technically as in "not in a practice"?
I've been a referee for 27½ years, and until this scenario came up a few months ago, it would never have occurred to me not to call a free ball. I think it would be a brave ref not to call a free ball in this kind of scenario.Duplicate of banned account deleted
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Originally Posted by Phantom_Pc View Posthttps://ibb.co/j5fFev
try this one ... sorry
following a foul the incoming player approaches the table should the referee give a free ball?
(your on the last red on the table, ball in way is green (ish)
ball on is red
(last one)
https://ibb.co/j5fFev
try this one ... sorry
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Originally Posted by Terry Davidson View PostHow can this not be a free ball? Ignore the cushion aspect and look at left side of the object ball. It appears to me people are using the free ball rule and cushion in the wrong manner. Read the free ball rule and see if it applies to this scenario.
Of course the player always has the 'shoot again' option but a free ball would be better (and more correct to my mind). Of course I'm a referee but only the lowest level, either Class C or Level III, whichever is the first one.
Another example is put the 2 balls anywhere else on the table and what's the call? The angle has nothing to do with it.
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Originally Posted by Londonlad147 View PostSorry, no you can't!
Try drawing a straight line from the left side of the cue ball to the right side of the red. That is where the cue ball would have to be deemed to hit the red, and it is prevented from doing so, initially, by the curved part of the cushion. It's nothing to do with hitting as much as is visible.This is how you play darts ,MVG two nines in the same match!
https://youtu.be/yqTGtwOpHu8
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Originally Posted by itsnoteasy View PostAre you seriously saying you couldn't pot that red if the green wasn't there? To be fair my eyes are well dodgy but give me a couple of goes and I could pot that, or at least rattle it.
Imagine this scenario. Last red is tight on the green side cushion at the top (black) end of the table. The cue ball is exactly one ball's width away from the same side cushion say on the baulk line table. There is the black adjacent to the red, but 1mm less than a ball's width away from it. Therefore the cue ball won't pass between the gap. Because the cue ball cannot make contact with the extreme right edge of the ball then there is a free ball (assuming this was after a foul). The red can be hit full ball; it is pottable; but there is a free ball.Duplicate of banned account deleted
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Originally Posted by itsnoteasy View PostAre you seriously saying you couldn't pot that red if the green wasn't there? To be fair my eyes are well dodgy but give me a couple of goes and I could pot that, or at least rattle it.
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Correct, but that's a ball blocking ( if I have understood it right)and not a cushion, and a ball can't be snookered by a cushion,( you can't say if the flat of the cushion wasn't there I could hit more of it) so if you can hit as much as possible ( which in this case is the potting angle as it's cushion and ball at the same time if the green is removed )it's a free ball , the flat of the cushion doesn't come into play and the knuckle isn't blocking you hitting as much of the ball as possible.
I have read your post on the other thread and you say if it was moved down an inch or so it would be a free ball, so I think it may just be how we are seeing the shot as I think if you moved it up an inch it wouldn't be a free ball as the knuckle would then be in the way.This is how you play darts ,MVG two nines in the same match!
https://youtu.be/yqTGtwOpHu8
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Originally Posted by Dave_marsy View PostWhat's that got to do with the question ...is this a free ball....if you can't hit both exstream edges it's a free ball ..in this case the green is stopping the pot ...you need to be able to hit all the redThis is how you play darts ,MVG two nines in the same match!
https://youtu.be/yqTGtwOpHu8
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Originally Posted by itsnoteasy View PostCorrect, but that's a ball blocking ( if I have understood it right)and not a cushion, and a ball can't be snookered by a cushion,( you can't say if the flat of the cushion wasn't there I could hit more of it) so if you can hit as much as possible ( which in this case is the potting angle as it's cushion and ball at the same time if the green is removed )it's a free ball , the flat of the cushion doesn't come into play and the knuckle isn't blocking you hitting as much of the ball as possible.
I have read your post on the other thread and you say if it was moved down an inch or so it would be a free ball, so I think it may just be how we are seeing the shot as I think if you moved it up an inch it wouldn't be a free ball as the knuckle would then be in the way.
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Originally Posted by Londonlad147 View PostKnowing Jan he'd probably call it!
I've been a referee for 27½ years, and until this scenario came up a few months ago, it would never have occurred to me not to call a free ball. I think it would be a brave ref not to call a free ball in this kind of scenario.
For those thinking it isn't a Free Ball, as the Rule is written... (well my understanding)
You have a Free Ball: you play to pot the Black and miss. Being cunning, you play the pot to leave the last red snookered behind the Pink, which works.
However the Black has rolled into a similar line (ie between the CB and Red): is it a Freeball?
Answer: it depends which side of the Pink the Black is. If it CB side then it is a Free Ball, if it is Red side then it isn't - as the FIRST obstruction is the only relevant one ie the Pink.
In the photo above, the curve of the cushion is the first obstruction, so the Green is irrelevant. However, the curve is an integral part of the table, which is not relevant in Free Balls.
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